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pezus said:
^I think WiiU is out of most people's equation at this point. Something major would have to happen for WiiU to have a chance of not ending 3rd.


is that why it is never getting mentioned in all these threads,it feels like it is just sony battling the giant that is microsoft

i don't disagree with the OP in that xbox can certainly win the gen,it seems a reasonable journey progression from xbox sales to 360 to xbone ,the USA is number one and people shouldn't forget it,but from reading a few  threads maybe microsoft are going for a certain market of people that will definitely spend money on the xbox brand,personally the future is subscriptions and internet,this is for everything electronic/media/smartphones service in life not just gaming

microsoft certainly has a few markets to include/combine



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pezus said:
^I think WiiU is out of most people's equation at this point. Something major would have to happen for WiiU to have a chance of not ending 3rd.


up to this point there aren't many games that show us the possibilities with the Wii U gamepad! People who think Nintendo isn't worthy of their equations are blinded by fanboysm. At least Nintendo is trying something new to enhance the gameplay. Microsoft isn't even trying to attract gamers! Their only focus is to gain every buck from you with stupid decision like the used game fiasco.

Sony is also guilty! They didn't show anything different at the PS4 reveal! Only graphics, graphics, graphics... The share buttom won't change my personal experience with the game! They don't even trying!



hivycox said:
pezus said:
^I think WiiU is out of most people's equation at this point. Something major would have to happen for WiiU to have a chance of not ending 3rd.


up to this point there aren't many games that show us the possibilities with the Wii U gamepad! People who think Nintendo isn't worthy of their equations are blinded by fanboysm. At least Nintendo is trying something new to enhance the gameplay. Microsoft isn't even trying to attract gamers! Their only focus is to gain every buck from you with stupid decision like the used game fiasco.

Sony is also guilty! They didn't show anything different at the PS4 reveal! Only graphics, graphics, graphics... The share buttom won't change my personal experience with the game! They don't even trying!

You obviously werent paying attention to the Ps4 reveal if thats what you think. Also, if you think the Wii U has a chance of being in the equation you must think only 100mil console will sell this gen



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pezus said:
hivycox said:
pezus said:
^I think WiiU is out of most people's equation at this point. Something major would have to happen for WiiU to have a chance of not ending 3rd.


up to this point there aren't many games that show us the possibilities with the Wii U gamepad! People who think Nintendo isn't worthy of their equations are blinded by fanboysm. At least Nintendo is trying something new to enhance the gameplay. Microsoft isn't even trying to attract gamers! Their only focus is to gain every buck from you with stupid decision like the used game fiasco.

Sony is also guilty! They didn't show anything different at the PS4 reveal! Only graphics, graphics, graphics... The share buttom won't change my personal experience with the game! They don't even trying!

No, they are blinded by current sales numbers. Maybe things will change when Nintendo finally grace the console with some big games, but until then it is completely understandable why WiiU is a non-factor for many.

Was Knack about graphics? The Witness? Media Molecule's experiment? 

The focus of Sony's meeting was to explain what they were doing better than they did previously, that's why it was so focused on developers and "graphics".

E3 can not come any faster  ;)

Yeah ok you know you are right with these games! But my whole point is that everyone is going apeshit about the PS4 and partially the XBone. This is a big issue because the entire attention of the crowd goes to talking specs and graphics! Everyone is giving waaaay too much attention to the actual specs of these consoles which irritates me because games like Killzone i.e. aren't that much different than previous installments in the franchise. But everybody make it out to be such a huge step.

I'm sure you're getting my point here. I'm sick and tired of these people because at the end of the day its not important how powerful you console is but the quality of the games.

At the XBone reveal I didn't see games with quality (I know they want to show them at E3 but knowing Microsoft these "15 exclusives" won't be impressive IMO)
Granted Sony did show some games which were interesting to know more about them.

The biggest problem is the community only looking at graphics, sales and power rather than the important stuff like gameplays, variety or non-shooting-games ;)



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hivycox said:
pezus said:
hivycox said:
pezus said:
^I think WiiU is out of most people's equation at this point. Something major would have to happen for WiiU to have a chance of not ending 3rd.


up to this point there aren't many games that show us the possibilities with the Wii U gamepad! People who think Nintendo isn't worthy of their equations are blinded by fanboysm. At least Nintendo is trying something new to enhance the gameplay. Microsoft isn't even trying to attract gamers! Their only focus is to gain every buck from you with stupid decision like the used game fiasco.

Sony is also guilty! They didn't show anything different at the PS4 reveal! Only graphics, graphics, graphics... The share buttom won't change my personal experience with the game! They don't even trying!

No, they are blinded by current sales numbers. Maybe things will change when Nintendo finally grace the console with some big games, but until then it is completely understandable why WiiU is a non-factor for many.

Was Knack about graphics? The Witness? Media Molecule's experiment? 

The focus of Sony's meeting was to explain what they were doing better than they did previously, that's why it was so focused on developers and "graphics".

E3 can not come any faster  ;)

Yeah ok you know you are right with these games! But my whole point is that everyone is going apeshit about the PS4 and partially the XBone. This is a big issue because the entire attention of the crowd goes to talking specs and graphics! Everyone is giving waaaay too much attention to the actual specs of these consoles which irritates me because games like Killzone i.e. aren't that much different than previous installments in the franchise. But everybody make it out to be such a huge step.

I'm sure you're getting my point here. I'm sick and tired of these people because at the end of the day its not important how powerful you console is but the quality of the games.

At the XBone reveal I didn't see games with quality (I know they want to show them at E3 but knowing Microsoft these "15 exclusives" won't be impressive IMO)
Granted Sony did show some games which were interesting to know more about them.

The biggest problem is the community only looking at graphics, sales and power rather than the important stuff like gameplays, variety or non-shooting-games ;)

I think it is equally annoying to see people dismissing the consoles that push ecceptional graphics, as if great graphics never come with good gameplay, as it is to see people dismissing games with great gameplay but average graphics...



hivycox said:
pezus said:
^I think WiiU is out of most people's equation at this point. Something major would have to happen for WiiU to have a chance of not ending 3rd.


up to this point there aren't many games that show us the possibilities with the Wii U gamepad! People who think Nintendo isn't worthy of their equations are blinded by fanboysm. At least Nintendo is trying something new to enhance the gameplay. Microsoft isn't even trying to attract gamers! Their only focus is to gain every buck from you with stupid decision like the used game fiasco.

Sony is also guilty! They didn't show anything different at the PS4 reveal! Only graphics, graphics, graphics... The share buttom won't change my personal experience with the game! They don't even trying!

A tablet is not that fancy of a step forward for gaming. And we aren't blinded by famboyism, we are blinded by facts and the fact is;  The WiiU is in the toilet. It has very little compelling games, it has not displayed the full capabilities of their gamepad (and frankly, they are taking to long) 

Seriously, its a tablet. Sounds to me like they were trying to cash in on the tablet crazed market and so far, it has backfired.

EDIT: Graphics are a huge part of a game, whether you like it or not. If Nintendo wants to completely ignore this, that's on them. Granted, the Wii found success even though it was inferior in the graphics department but I attribute Wii's 1st place in gimmicky controller which was a big draw for the casual market. Also, what makes you think that a regular controller can't also bring new gameplay options? You must be blind by fanboyism because Xbox one has the Kinect (which they better utilize properly this gen) and the PS4 has the new, enhanced controller, chuck full of gameplay enhacing features. It also has the Vita which Sony announced they will focus on cross-play, etc. All three companies have their gameplay enhancers, its not just Nintendo and their tablet so I really don't now what you're talking about, buddy.



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What exactly would those "exciting technological breakthroughs" be?

Kinect 2 is hardly more than a resolution-improved Kinect 1. This improved resolution etc. will improve accuracy etc., but it won't allow for exciting new features that wouldn't have been possible before. So if someone wasn't convinced by Kinect 1, it's unlikely Kinect 2 will make him very excited

What remains? The new TV-centric features are the only new hardware features coming to my mind. And I just don't see those making too many people excited. First of all, "Live TV" appears to require a seperate TV decoder/receiver device connected to the X1's "HDMI IN" port. I've read that such receivers are indeed quite common in the USA, but not in Europe for example, where almost all recent TVs already have them included. The other problem of course being that at least initially it's just a feature available in the USA. So in the end, these TV-centric features may indeed lead to the Xbox One being very successful in the USA. But since "X1 will beat PS4" can only mean winning worldwide console sales, a feature that's great but only usable for customers in one country is unlikely to make it the most popular console worldwide.

But even among Xbox fans from the US, there just doesn't seem to be that much excitement for these features, at least so far. I've looked at all threads in the "Microsoft discussion" forum that have been created since the Xbox One reveal, and I couldn't find a single, positive thread dedicated to the new TV integration features. Even the Xbox fans from the USA hardly seem to care about that feature. Multiple threads were created where the original poster pointed out various disadvantages of the TV integration features, but that was about it.
There was one "positive" thread about X1 having Blu-Ray, but on the one hand that has not so much to do with TV integration, and on the other hand, that's of course not a real selling point for the X1, as this already was a last-gen feature on the PS.
Another "positive", multimedia-related thread was about X1 being capable of 3D and 4K. That's nice, but again, not an advantage of the rival, the PS4. 3D was once again already used in the last-gen PS3, and 4K is something the PS4 is capable of, too. And apart from the fact that 4K will remain a niche feature for at least a couple of years, neither console will make much use of it anyway.



The problem with XBO's TV integration is that it is nothing new. This has been available on PSX, PS3, and 360 depending on your location. There are also many other devices that have the features seen on the XBO. Heck, my grandparents Vizio TV can browse the web while watching TV right from its own OS. Many TV's can do music, movies, netflix, hulu, and much more right out of the box.

Xbox's main sales point has always been a better experience with 3rd party games, and a select few first party titles. Now PS4 has an equal if not better Online network, and more powerful hardware leaving XBO with a disadvantage on 3rd party titles. This puts all the pressure on an unexperienced 1st party team, that will have to compete with a very structure and matured SCEWWS. The last piece of the puzzle will be answered at E3. Does MS still have the power to sway major developers to make exclusive content to their platform. Sony swayed most devs last gen to PS3 (I'll bet with a promise of a much better future with PS4), and now I expect to see a major shift were some old friends return to exclusivity, and some old exclusives find their way to multiple platforms.

Bring on E3!



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pokoko said:
Really, though, why would the masses buy an XO? A lot of other devices do very similar things for less money, some of which many people already own. How much of what the XO does can't be done on a laptop, smart phone, tablet PC, cable-box/DVR, or even the television itself? In many cases, it's just adding another (expensive) layer which really isn't necessary. Just another thing to turn and interact with before you can watch television.

I don't think it's going to take over the living room. People not interested in gaming aren't going to pay that much money for something that isn't really needed. Gamers who watch a lot of television will be interest, perhaps, and it's a good hook that a kid can use to convince a parent that the XO is a good family device, but I disagree with the idea what it's going to go viral with non-gamers.

You make two very valid points.

On the first, you're absolutely correct.  You can do much of the same on other devices.  However, I think what the Xbox One will do is bring them all together (XO after all - kisses and hugs).  The Xbox One doesn't just interact with your TV or cable box.  It doesn't just provide interactive TV capabilities.  It allows up to 16 different devices to connect to it, and interact with it as well.  So your smartphone or tablet can become a second screen because the Xbox One can connect to it directly via Wi-Fi Direct.  With your Wi-Fi Direct enabled Denon AV Reciever you'll be able to connect to your AV system wirelessly, not only streaming your audio to it wirelessly, but controlling it's features along with the Xbox Ones*.  So you could say, "Xbox On" and the Xbox One would turn on your Xbox console AND all your Wi-Fi Direct devices setup to turn on when you activate your console.  Even that RCA, Wi-Fi enabled picture frame could connect to your Xbox One and grab images from your SkyDrive and display them.   Just watch where you put your porn**.

I think you're correct.  This is a transitional generation where the console will enhance its media capabilities, but those capabilities won't supersede gaming.  At least to begin with.  The buyer of the Xbox One will in large part be a gamer at some level, however in five years as the capabilities and services change the consumers will buy it for it's media features.  We had this happen with the Xbox 360.  When Netflix rolled out on the Xbox 360, consumers bought it specifically for that purpose.  I know, because I know people who did.  They became gamers, but they bought it for NetFlix. 

E3 is about games.  This is what we heard from EVERYONE last year.  E3 is about games, not apps or non-gaming uses.  So, in part, Microsoft did a general overview of what Xbox One is capable of for its launch.  E3 will be about games on the Xbox 360 and the Xbox One.  I'm guessing before the summer is out, there will be another event to show-off the Xbox One yet again.

* This is not a documented feature, but it is a capability of a Wi-Fi Direct enabled device.  If the Denon AV Receiver allows an app to control it, and the receiver and the Xbox One are interconnected via Wi-Fi, and there is an integrated functionality built into the Xbox One for those features (an app) then it would be able to do it.

** The EULA for SkyDrive prohibits pornographic images.  So...don't put them there!