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Sal.Paradise said:
Jay520 said:
Mr Khan said:
Talal said:
Dodece said:

The Nintendo fans on these forums are blatantly hypocritical. Both companies made promises that they failed to keep. Electronic Arts insinuated a support that it didn't deliver. Nintendo insinuated a support that it didn't deliver. How many times has Nintendo told the third party support lie now. You know it actually takes more then lip service to make that into a reality. They would actually have to design their hardware to fill the needs of developers. Do a competent job of marketing their product. Create a solid service with solid features that gamers genuinely want.

What about the Nintendo conspiracy. You know the one where they sabotage their console to drive away third party development. So they can have the console all to themselves. So they can pretend to be a console brand. When what they really are is a software studio. I mean really should we assume they are actually this fucking stupid, or that they have nefarious motives. The same mistake four times in a row is a bit hard to swallow.

The point being that Nintendo fans don't really have a problem with this behavior. After all they back Nintendo up when it is them pulling this shit. Their problem is that the lack of Electronic Arts support is going to have some dire consequences for their console god. They know losing this support is a major blow. Gaming staples aren't optional. They are damn well mandatory. Sporting games are the definition of a staple. The vast majority of games will take notice of their absence, and not purchase the console.

Moderated,

-Mr Khan


Is this really worse than claiming that anyone on EA's side hates Nintendo and wants them to fail?

 

I don't understand the ban really.

I should clarify that the ban is not that actual post, but that Dodece's been running this same line for like two weeks straight. Fair to say we're all quite sick of it.



Didn't know that was against the rules.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5348575

He didn't have anything good to say about Nintendo. Bannable offense

lol, I was going to post that earlier.



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Sure, there was a good amount of double ownership in households but most of those likely had different users.  For example, a house with a 360 and a Wii.  The 360 would be primarily be used by a male teenager and the Wii by the younger sibling and for family games.   In those households the mature games would be bought for the HD system only.  The only way to sell a mature game on the Wii would be to have an AMAZING different game.  EA did have the right approach, they made a different game for the Wii because a simple port would not have sold in that household.  The problem was that DS:Extraction was not an AMAZING game.  The other problem is that EA's theory only targets households that own two systems.  What was the market share of that group?  I presume it would be small compared to the total Wii ownership.

Overall though, the Wii was hard to develop for.  The audience was too divided, you had the Wii Sports only crowd, the secondary console crowd, the little kids, and the Nintendo loyals.

The WiiU though is different. EA cannot assume it will have the same audience problems, not yet anyways its too early to tell.  They cannot withdraw support based on the sales figures for the launch games.  Those would only be bought by Wii-only owners that missed out on those HD games.  But that crowd I think is just too small.  EA cannot reasonably expect good sales for those games. 

EA should have made an exclusive title to really see if developing for WiiU is worth the investment.  Or at the very least they should have made those titles SIGNIFICANTLY superior to the other versions. 



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Really surprised by the moderation in this thread. I'll just leave it at that for now.



Soundwave said:

Lets be honest Madden 25 and FIFA 14 and Need For Speed: Whatever, would've bombed on the Wii U anyway. Even things like Black Ops 2 and Assassin's Creed 3 are having a rough go of it and sports sims have never really be something associated with Nintendo.

no matter what you wish for, those games sold pretty well considering the install base and must have made profits. now picture the wii u with a bigger install base and those kind of games will sell hundreds of thousands and possibly millions of copys.



Talal said:
chocoloco said:
Mr Khan said:

Not everyone, just this. I would admit that those who suggest 3rd parties avoid Nintendo (a position i disagree with) may have some merit to their arguments, but this, this thing with EA, this is different. This is maliciousness, this is bullying, this is blatantly obvious, and no-one has any good reason to be on EA's side in this.

It's like SOPA. There are some things that are just so egregious that one side has absolutely no leg to stand on whatsoever.

You treat Nintendo like an omniscient, omnipitant, infallible god Kahn. Quotes on EA's perspective.

“Nintendo was operating with near monopoly power,” Gordon says. “They had like a 95 percent share of the console business, and they had earned it because they took a huge risk.  If a publisher wanted to get in bed with the NES, they had to fly to Japan, state its case for a development system, and if Nintendo deemed it worthy, there was only one deal on the table.  Nintendo would sell the company a dev kit for what Gordon calls “a ridiculous price,” and after a game was finished the publisher had to send it to Nintendo, which would ultimately decide whether our not it would be manufactured.”

Bing Gordon Former Cheif creative Officer of EA

“Wait, we spend all this time and we build a game but we don’t know if we can bring it to market?,”

‘That’s right, and if we decide to bring it to market, we manufacture it and we’ll tell you how many we’ll build. You pay us half the cost, and then we manufacture it when we feel like it. When it’s done in Japan, you pay the second half of the cost, and we release it and you figure out how you want to ship it.”


“EA would be allowed to manufacture its own Genesis cartridges, could make as many games as it wanted, and received a more favorable royalty rate. The next day at CES there was a wall of 16-bit Electronic Arts titles running on the Sega Genesis.”

“We’re pretty strongly in the camp that low manufacturing cost in media is important to the overall growth of interactive entertainment,” Gordon said. “I doubt we’ll ever ship as many products for the Nintendo 64 in any year as we do on the PC or the Sony PlayStation.”


One of the explanations we have is that there’s a lot of double ownership. So people having a Wii and a 360 and/or PS3. They’re really playing different types of games on those two machines, and historically up to now we assume those people will have played the more mature content on the more high-tech machine. Dead Space: Extraction is going to be a very nice test of that hypothesis, because we’re really building a game where the Wii version is very different to the Dead Space game on 360 and PS3, and we’ll actually see whether we can reach more people with a) a great game and b) interesting content. If that’s not going to work, then obviously the whole proposal from our point of view at least of more mature games on the Wii just does not work.” – Dr Jens Uwe Intat, European VP at Electronic Arts

There is plenty more if your willing to look at a side other than the infallible Nintendo here.

http://www.notenoughshaders.com/2013/03/25/the-sexual-history-between-nintendo-and-electronic-arts/



This a million times. I'm sick of fans pretending that Nintendo are angels. They are not, they make mistakes like everyone does. Even in the Wii days they had awful regulations.

Of course, I mean I have my prefrences, but I do not treat any company like they are all that is good in the industry. The problem is when Nintendo only gamers act like this all the time. "I buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games," 'I am not interested in buying third parties, but I would like them on my platform so it will be king of the industry." If Nintendo does not encourge third parties to make games for them, they by no means deserve to be even close tp kings of the industry . It is a two way street with everything in life and in business.



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Just confirms what we all already kinda knew. Its a significant blow.



                            

Well here is no surprise.

Current EA games sold terribly on the WiiU, and big publishers need big sales to cover their investment, thus the WiiU would have been a noose around the neck for any big publisher.

The question is how many publishers will follow suit, and where does that leave the WiiU? My bet - all will follow and the WiiU will sink like a stone as Nintendo exlcusives sell well to owners, but don't make people buy the console.

 

Kresnik said:
Really surprised by the moderation in this thread. I'll just leave it at that for now.


You mean censorship....as moderation would imply no biasing and rules being broken.



It occurs to me that if Nintendo were to become a third-party developer, the implications for EA might not be completely positive.



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pezus said:
Seriously, all this EA hate and trolling gets a free pass but when someone decides to chip in on the situation he gets banned because he is negative towards Nintendo?


Supposedly this is dependant on the amount of negativity given over a period of time.

Perhaps said user(s) are being banned for their own protection, if we equate such activity with repeatedly hitting a beehive.

But really, I don't get it either.



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pezus said:
F0X said:
It occurs to me that if Nintendo were to become a third-party developer, the implications for EA might not be completely positive.

Which would lead most people to think that that is not actually EA's plan


Exactly. And since the general view in this thread is that Nintendo can do just fine without EA, I'm going to make a huge logical leap and say that EA feels likewise.



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