bolded1: the most ridiculous thing i've read in a while. if it was true then congratulations for nintendo for developing in 2000 a cpu stronger than the ones in ps360.

bolded2: the gpu is heavily custumized and nobody really knows wich series it's based on.

bolded 3: 2gb ddr3 RAM + 32mb eDRAM

the controler has the components of a regular controler + camera, speakers, microphone, nfc, motion sensors, touch screen and maybe a more expensive than ususal battery. while the list is long, none of those is really expensive. just imagine a 3ds without a gpu and cpu wich are arguably the most expensive parts. we'd get a machine that could retail at 80-90 dollars at a profit, wich means development cost  is in the 60-70 area. as i stated before, if much, wii u gamepad costs $40 more to produce than a regular controler.

now just remember, what you call cheap 2gb memory is still way more expensive than the 512mb on ps360. what you call low end gpu is still way more expensive than the ones on ps360, same with the cpu. i don't know abot xbox360 price right now but i'm sure it could retail for 150 at a profit, so what's wrong in a new machine with more expensive parts everywhere being 299 at a small loss. wii u price is right.

Dude how is what i said ridiculous?

All rumours point to the WiiU CPU being considerably weak and based on the same CPU as the Wii.

Also the GPU is heavily rumoured to be based on a low end 6000 series AMD gpu. If this info is wrong then please link me correct info, but last i checked this is what the general consensus was on tech forums. Also the games we have seen so far on the Wii U seem to match the specs.

Also @ bolded are you even taking in what you saying, the gamepad has a shit load of stuff more than the usual 360/PS3 controller. I can't see how anyone can argue that the gamepad isnt the main cost factor. Common sense says it is.

And i didnt say the WiiU's price isnt right? I just said its a bad example.

And for the last time, we don't know if the WiiU is still selling at a loss.

you said the cpu was the SAME as the wii and what exactly is "weak"? because it certainly is more capable than the ones in current consoles, it might not be proporcional to the gpu but it's not weak.I also explained with details why the gamepad doesn't add much to the price and in the end you don't explain why the wii u is a bad example. we have the rumored specs for both systems and the oficial price for one so it's safe to have a rumoured price difference.

 But i dont think a 450 - 499 pricepoint automatically means a loss for sony. Which is what i had a problem with in my initial post.

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How do you know its more capable than the current gen CPU's? But then again i was the one to say its weak but i cant prove it... I'm just going by the rumours, developers interviews and the games that has released so far. We dont even know how much better the GPU is...but just like the CPU all evidence says its stronger than what current gen has to offer.

And yes, you managed to list all the components of the gamepad but that doesnt mean its cheap? Even with your own calculations $40 more than what current controllers cost would still make the gamepad the single most expensive part in the WiiU would it not? Take out that extra $40 and the wiiU could cost ~$250 (sold at a loss or profit is up for debate, because we both dont know)? And i think your cost estimate of the gamepad is lowballing it.

Its not like they just stuck a shitty screen on a shitty controller. The thing actually has some heft to it and a very good feel in the hand. That doesnt come cheap. The screen is also quite decent. And it must be this way, because this is what Nintendo's main attraction for the console was.

The reason why i said the WiiU is a bad example is because of the gamepad cost. Sony doesnt have an equivalent. It doesnt need more explanation than that. Its just that we disagree on the cost of the gamepad.

Where i do agree with you is that the PS4 will cost more than the WiiU. But i dont think a 450 - 499 pricepoint automatically means a loss for sony. Which is what i had a problem with in my initial post.

p.s: almost forgot, it's just common sense the cpu is better than last gen consoles. you can say it's based on the wii cpu but by that same logic we can also say pentium 4 is based on pentium 1/2/3 and that doesn't make it less superior right?

The parts for the PS4 cost $450 or atleast similar parts cost about the same.  Sony also made the comment that sounded like they're going to take a small loss, so the system may very well cost $399.

Actually the Pentium 4 wasn't based on the Pentium 1, 2 or 3. The Pentium 4 was based upon the Netburst architecture which Intel made from the ground up and that ended up slow, hot and power hungry.
The Pentium 1, 2 and 3 used the P6 architecture which was efficient and at the same clock speed was faster than a Pentium 4, Intel saw this and used the Pentium 3 as the basis for the Pentium M which then eventually evolved into the Core 2 series whilst the Pentium 4/D and hence Netburst Architecture was killed off and never to be seen again. (I.E. Horrible example.)

As for the PowerPC CPU's, we all know they are relatively slow, most generally use In-Order Designs with a relatively long pipeline that can clock heavily, heck the Cell isn't even faster than a 7 year old Core 2 Quad in double precision.
However, what they do provide is great price/performance in the low end, perfect for a cost sensitive device such as a console.

Remember though, it's not the CPU driving the awesome graphics or holding you back to 720P or lower resolutions, it's the GPU and to a lesser extent the Ram.