Yeah that's true, it's gonna be interesting at how much the PS4 is gonna be and hopefully we find out soon

Sony never launched an overpriced console, so your thread question must be a trick question.

I don't think they've learned their lessons at all when it comes to pricing and launching systems. PS1&2 had massive success by launching first with lesser specs and affordable prices. With the PS3 Sony went with an "elitest" system that launched late and cost a lot. They did it again with Vita, and it looks like they will be doing it again with PS4 to some extent. This strategy holds them back from total market dominance.

I do think they've learned some lessons on production and R&D costs though. PS4 has the possibility of being a financial success for the company - something PS3 never had - and it should come in at a somewhat more reasonable price. It should also not lose time to Xi, though it is a year behind WiiU.

the PS3 was not overpriced, it was overengineered

PS3 was not overpriced, neither is PS Vita. So there is no such lesson to be learned by Sony.

Firstly we dont know the exact break down on the Wii U. So those numbers are total guesses.

And secondly the WiiU is a bad example as most of its cost is in the gamepad. WiiU - Gamepad = signigicantly reduced price.

And i'm not saying the numbers are not plausable, they are. But most people are saying 450 - 499 at a loss? I don't see that happening given what we know about the PS4 components.

But then again my knowledge on retail costs are very limited so maybe everyone else is right

dude, don't make me laugh. the wii u gamepad is more expensive than your regular dualshock but the difference should be 30-35 dollars tops(to fabricate, not retail separetely). i took into consideration that retailers profit about 30% in their sales, wich means they buy wii u for 230. if selling it for 230 means a small loss for nintendo, it should cost them 240-250 to produce. it's not complicated.

also, 499 wouldn't be at a loss, 450 would be some loss and 399 a big loss.

clearly you never heard arabic then

You saying the gamepad isnt the main cost factor for the wiiU? Then what is?

It has the same CPU as the Wii, a low end GPU from the old AMD 6000 series, 2gb cheap DDR3 RAM.

Am i missing something here?  I'm sure there are other costs...but the component costs are the main costs and theres REALLY nothing in the WiiU that costs a lot apart from the Gamepad. Or do you have information that says otherwise?

I stand by my initial statement: The WiiU is a bad example.And again we don't know if WiiU is still sold at a loss. Maybe initially but its been out for a while.

Based on what console should not be more expensive then 400 dollars?