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KHlover said:

Because people think they NEED smartphones in their daily life, whereas gaming consoles are viewed as optional.

We don't NEED smartphones, we WANT smartphones. We could just get a cheap old nokia from 2000 and that would do the job, remember this is a phone not a computer. 

~http://www.nokia.com/gb-en/phones/phone/205/

This phone may not look like much but for £35/ $50 it does everything a mobile phone was made to do. Most of what smartphones do today are just extras



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Zero999 said:
the2real4mafol said:
I don't how people can complain about paying £300 to £400 for a brand new console and yet buy a £600 mobile phone or tablet, it makes no sense. Consoles are more capable pieces of technology than phones at least for now

people buy $20000 cars and $100000 houses too. different products have different prices, paying 600 for a mobile phone doesn't change the average price for a videogame.

Yeah but people don't need £600/ $700 mobile phones. You can get a decent mobile phone for less than half that. If people are willing to pay so much for a phone then they have no right to complain about the price of video games. Especially, if they are American, nearly everything is cheaper over there except healthcare



Xbox Series, PS5 and Switch (+ Many Retro Consoles)

'When the people are being beaten with a stick, they are not much happier if it is called the people's stick'- Mikhail Bakunin

Prediction: Switch 2 will outsell the PS5 by 2030

the2real4mafol said:
KHlover said:

Because people think they NEED smartphones in their daily life, whereas gaming consoles are viewed as optional.

We don't NEED smartphones, we WANT smartphones. We could just get a cheap old nokia from 2000 and that would do the job, remember this is a phone not a computer. 

~http://www.nokia.com/gb-en/phones/phone/205/

This phone may not look like much but for £35/ $50 it does everything a mobile phone was made to do. Most of what smartphones do today are just extras

1.) See bolded
2. I don't think the old Nokia could serve as a Navi, E-Mail reader, MP3-Player, Movie player, access the Internet...I actually need some of these functions DAILY, so I'm gladly buying a smartphone instead of a mobile phone^^



KHlover said:
the2real4mafol said:
KHlover said:

Because people think they NEED smartphones in their daily life, whereas gaming consoles are viewed as optional.

We don't NEED smartphones, we WANT smartphones. We could just get a cheap old nokia from 2000 and that would do the job, remember this is a phone not a computer. 

~http://www.nokia.com/gb-en/phones/phone/205/

This phone may not look like much but for £35/ $50 it does everything a mobile phone was made to do. Most of what smartphones do today are just extras

1.) See bolded
2. I don't think the old Nokia could serve as a Navi, E-Mail reader, MP3-Player, Movie player, access the Internet...I actually need some of these functions DAILY, so I'm gladly buying a smartphone instead of a mobile phone^^

i understand but what i'm trying to say is that the whole point of a mobile phone was to call people easily it was never meant to do anything else. It is good though as it's quite convienient and is making many products like ipods, portable DVD players, sat nav and possibly even PC's in the future irrelevant. it's just a shame that battery life is so bad these days, it's something that i want to be improved before getting more cores.

But i admit i could never back to an ordinary mobile phone. I just think people don't need the rip off phones that have have more power than sense like the galaxy s4



Xbox Series, PS5 and Switch (+ Many Retro Consoles)

'When the people are being beaten with a stick, they are not much happier if it is called the people's stick'- Mikhail Bakunin

Prediction: Switch 2 will outsell the PS5 by 2030

the2real4mafol said:
KHlover said:
the2real4mafol said:
KHlover said:

Because people think they NEED smartphones in their daily life, whereas gaming consoles are viewed as optional.

We don't NEED smartphones, we WANT smartphones. We could just get a cheap old nokia from 2000 and that would do the job, remember this is a phone not a computer. 

~http://www.nokia.com/gb-en/phones/phone/205/

This phone may not look like much but for £35/ $50 it does everything a mobile phone was made to do. Most of what smartphones do today are just extras

1.) See bolded
2. I don't think the old Nokia could serve as a Navi, E-Mail reader, MP3-Player, Movie player, access the Internet...I actually need some of these functions DAILY, so I'm gladly buying a smartphone instead of a mobile phone^^

i understand but what i'm trying to say is that the whole point of a mobile phone was to call people easily it was never meant to do anything else. It is good though as it's quite convienient and is making many products like ipods, portable DVD players, sat nav and possibly even PC's in the future irrelevant. it's just a shame that battery life is so bad these days, it's something that i want to be improved before getting more cores.

But i admit i could never back to an ordinary mobile phone. I just think people don't need the rip off phones that have have more power than sense like the galaxy s4

Yeah, I agree. I bought a used Galaxy SII and it should be sufficent until it dies on me :)



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small44 said:
Zero999 said:
the2real4mafol said:
I don't how people can complain about paying £300 to £400 for a brand new console and yet buy a £600 mobile phone or tablet, it makes no sense. Consoles are more capable pieces of technology than phones at least for now

people buy $20000 cars and $100000 houses too. different products have different prices, paying 600 for a mobile phone doesn't change the average price for a videogame.


Based on what console should not be more expensive then 400 dollars?

based on the market. 400 is expensive for a console, might sell well initially but will need to drop the price in orther to sell better.



Zero999 said:
small44 said:
Zero999 said:
the2real4mafol said:
I don't how people can complain about paying £300 to £400 for a brand new console and yet buy a £600 mobile phone or tablet, it makes no sense. Consoles are more capable pieces of technology than phones at least for now

people buy $20000 cars and $100000 houses too. different products have different prices, paying 600 for a mobile phone doesn't change the average price for a videogame.


Based on what console should not be more expensive then 400 dollars?

based on the market. 400 is expensive for a console, might sell well initially but will need to drop the price in orther to sell better.

Everything will sell better when it get a price cut ,i think Sony never sold a console priced near to 400 dollars so you can't know how the market will response to this price.



PS4 - over 100 millions let's say 120m
Xbox One - 70m
Wii U - 25m

Vita - 15m if it will not get Final Fantasy Kingdoms Heart and Monster Hunter 20m otherwise
3DS - 80m

Shinobi-san said:
Zero999 said:
Shinobi-san said:

Firstly we dont know the exact break down on the Wii U. So those numbers are total guesses.

And secondly the WiiU is a bad example as most of its cost is in the gamepad. WiiU - Gamepad = signigicantly reduced price.

And i'm not saying the numbers are not plausable, they are. But most people are saying 450 - 499 at a loss? I don't see that happening given what we know about the PS4 components.

But then again my knowledge on retail costs are very limited so maybe everyone else is right

dude, don't make me laugh. the wii u gamepad is more expensive than your regular dualshock but the difference should be 30-35 dollars tops(to fabricate, not retail separetely). i took into consideration that retailers profit about 30% in their sales, wich means they buy wii u for 230. if selling it for 230 means a small loss for nintendo, it should cost them 240-250 to produce. it's not complicated.

also, 499 wouldn't be at a loss, 450 would be some loss and 399 a big loss.


You saying the gamepad isnt the main cost factor for the wiiU? Then what is?

It has the same CPU as the Wii, a low end GPU from the old AMD 6000 series, 2gb cheap DDR3 RAM.

Am i missing something here?  I'm sure there are other costs...but the component costs are the main costs and theres REALLY nothing in the WiiU that costs a lot apart from the Gamepad. Or do you have information that says otherwise?

I stand by my initial statement: The WiiU is a bad example.And again we don't know if WiiU is still sold at a loss. Maybe initially but its been out for a while.

bolded1: the most ridiculous thing i've read in a while. if it was true then congratulations for nintendo for developing in 2000 a cpu stronger than the ones in ps360.

bolded2: the gpu is heavily custumized and nobody really knows wich series it's based on.

bolded 3: 2gb ddr3 RAM + 32mb eDRAM

the controler has the components of a regular controler + camera, speakers, microphone, nfc, motion sensors, touch screen and maybe a more expensive than ususal battery. while the list is long, none of those is really expensive. just imagine a 3ds without a gpu and cpu wich are arguably the most expensive parts. we'd get a machine that could retail at 80-90 dollars at a profit, wich means development cost  is in the 60-70 area. as i stated before, if much, wii u gamepad costs $40 more to produce than a regular controler.

now just remember, what you call cheap 2gb memory is still way more expensive than the 512mb on ps360. what you call low end gpu is still way more expensive than the ones on ps360, same with the cpu. i don't know abot xbox360 price right now but i'm sure it could retail for 150 at a profit, so what's wrong in a new machine with more expensive parts everywhere being 299 at a small loss. wii u price is right.



small44 said:
Zero999 said:
small44 said:
Zero999 said:
the2real4mafol said:
I don't how people can complain about paying £300 to £400 for a brand new console and yet buy a £600 mobile phone or tablet, it makes no sense. Consoles are more capable pieces of technology than phones at least for now

people buy $20000 cars and $100000 houses too. different products have different prices, paying 600 for a mobile phone doesn't change the average price for a videogame.


Based on what console should not be more expensive then 400 dollars?

based on the market. 400 is expensive for a console, might sell well initially but will need to drop the price in orther to sell better.

Everything will sell better when it get a price cut ,i think Sony never sold a console priced near to 400 dollars so you can't know how the market will response to this price.

it needs a lower price than that to sell WELL, it will be hard to maintain decent sales at $400 price tag. and i certainly know how the market responded to the 499/599 us dollars and that was in a better economy.



Zero999 said:
small44 said:
Zero999 said:
small44 said:
Zero999 said:
the2real4mafol said:
I don't how people can complain about paying £300 to £400 for a brand new console and yet buy a £600 mobile phone or tablet, it makes no sense. Consoles are more capable pieces of technology than phones at least for now

people buy $20000 cars and $100000 houses too. different products have different prices, paying 600 for a mobile phone doesn't change the average price for a videogame.


Based on what console should not be more expensive then 400 dollars?

based on the market. 400 is expensive for a console, might sell well initially but will need to drop the price in orther to sell better.

Everything will sell better when it get a price cut ,i think Sony never sold a console priced near to 400 dollars so you can't know how the market will response to this price.

it needs a lower price than that to sell WELL, it will be hard to maintain decent sales at $400 price tag. and i certainly know how the market responded to the 499/599 us dollars and that was in a better economy.

Time will tell us.

I still believe that ps4 will sell well.



PS4 - over 100 millions let's say 120m
Xbox One - 70m
Wii U - 25m

Vita - 15m if it will not get Final Fantasy Kingdoms Heart and Monster Hunter 20m otherwise
3DS - 80m