Is sony going to learn their lesson with the PS4 and not over price it?

[Shinobi-san]

Zero999 said:

Shinobi-san said:

Zero999 said:

Shinobi-san said:

Firstly we dont know the exact break down on the Wii U. So those numbers are total guesses.

And secondly the WiiU is a bad example as most of its cost is in the gamepad. WiiU - Gamepad = signigicantly reduced price.

And i'm not saying the numbers are not plausable, they are. But most people are saying 450 - 499 at a loss? I don't see that happening given what we know about the PS4 components.

But then again my knowledge on retail costs are very limited so maybe everyone else is right

dude, don't make me laugh. the wii u gamepad is more expensive than your regular dualshock but the difference should be 30-35 dollars tops(to fabricate, not retail separetely). i took into consideration that retailers profit about 30% in their sales, wich means they buy wii u for 230. if selling it for 230 means a small loss for nintendo, it should cost them 240-250 to produce. it's not complicated.

also, 499 wouldn't be at a loss, 450 would be some loss and 399 a big loss.

You saying the gamepad isnt the main cost factor for the wiiU? Then what is?

It has the same CPU as the Wii, a low end GPU from the old AMD 6000 series, 2gb cheap DDR3 RAM.

Am i missing something here?  I'm sure there are other costs...but the component costs are the main costs and theres REALLY nothing in the WiiU that costs a lot apart from the Gamepad. Or do you have information that says otherwise?

I stand by my initial statement: The WiiU is a bad example.And again we don't know if WiiU is still sold at a loss. Maybe initially but its been out for a while.

bolded1: the most ridiculous thing i've read in a while. if it was true then congratulations for nintendo for developing in 2000 a cpu stronger than the ones in ps360.

bolded2: the gpu is heavily custumized and nobody really knows wich series it's based on.

bolded 3: 2gb ddr3 RAM + 32mb eDRAM

the controler has the components of a regular controler + camera, speakers, microphone, nfc, motion sensors, touch screen and maybe a more expensive than ususal battery. while the list is long, none of those is really expensive. just imagine a 3ds without a gpu and cpu wich are arguably the most expensive parts. we'd get a machine that could retail at 80-90 dollars at a profit, wich means development cost  is in the 60-70 area. as i stated before, if much, wii u gamepad costs $40 more to produce than a regular controler.

now just remember, what you call cheap 2gb memory is still way more expensive than the 512mb on ps360. what you call low end gpu is still way more expensive than the ones on ps360, same with the cpu. i don't know abot xbox360 price right now but i'm sure it could retail for 150 at a profit, so what's wrong in a new machine with more expensive parts everywhere being 299 at a small loss. wii u price is right.

Dude how is what i said ridiculous?

All rumours point to the WiiU CPU being considerably weak and based on the same CPU as the Wii.

Also the GPU is heavily rumoured to be based on a low end 6000 series AMD gpu. If this info is wrong then please link me correct info, but last i checked this is what the general consensus was on tech forums. Also the games we have seen so far on the Wii U seem to match the specs.

Also @ bolded are you even taking in what you saying, the gamepad has a shit load of stuff more than the usual 360/PS3 controller. I can't see how anyone can argue that the gamepad isnt the main cost factor. Common sense says it is.

And i didnt say the WiiU's price isnt right? I just said its a bad example.

And for the last time, we don't know if the WiiU is still selling at a loss.