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Kantor on 26 April 2013
BasilZero said:
@Osc89

1) Or how about removing the benefits of unions (i.e. tax breaks or w/e) overall since it seems to be the REAL reason why people are arguing over the argument you are using.

2) Like I said, you can have civil unions from the state but churches shouldnt be forced to do something that their laws forbid them to support nor should you say they should change their laws in terms of matrimony between men and women because they refuse to do something you want them to do.

 You say marriage is older than the christianity version? Then why force Churches to do those weddings? Why go through all the aspects then? Why not do it like the first union however that was like. (Apologize if they are the same - though I think they arent)

(Doesnt affect me because Indian weddings are different from western weddings at least the type of indian wedding my culture goes by - (i.e the verses they use at the end, more aspects than western weddings etc)

Note - I use the word "Aspect" cause I cant think of a word to describe for use for each event/step in a wedding lol.

1) This would be so ideal it borders on utopian, but unfortunately it will also be damned near impossible because of how ingrained the institution is in everyone's minds. See the resistance to increasing the number of marriages by around 5%? Imagine the resistance to abolishing the legal institution (and its benefits) entirely.

2) I could be wrong, but to my knowledge, no law in effect or even proposed would legally oblige a church to carry out a wedding, and I fully agree with you that that would be an appalling violation of religious freedom, which is after all just an extension of personal freedom. Nobody should be forced to carry out such a ceremony against their will.

The issue is with a law that states that even if you are fine with such a ceremony, you still can't carry it out because The State says no, and The State knows what is best for you and everyone else, and you should just sit down and shut up and listen to what The State tells you.

And, to a lesser extent, with a law that states that an individual priest cannot carry out a marriage unless his religious organisation approves of it. That seems kind of tyrannical, but as I say, it's slightly less of an issue because that priest volunteered to be a part of that religion and can easily leave it.

For me, the ideal solution would be to have a civil union (call it whatever you like really, but apply it uniformly) that deals with next-of-kin stuff, inheritance, visitation rights and all of the other conveniences that entails, without any of the tax breaks, and have this be the only union recognised by the state. Any wedding vows and such made before a religious official would have no legal backing or recognition whatsoever, but could of course be undertaken in addition to a legal registration.

I don't find anything remotely offensive or controversial about that idea, but do let me know if there is something I've missed.



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PullusPardus on 26 April 2013
Augen said:
PullusPardus said:

People think you're an asshole just by saying you are straight.

People stop talking to you because you dont have any "Pride"

People (and especially girls) start to hate you because they think you're closed minded for feeling uneasy around gay/bisexual persons

Being straight automatically means you're a douchebag, who likes to see women as sex objects, You cannot have an honest relationship without  people thinking you are cheating/being typical straight male that is a douchebag

Your girl will always think you are being unloyal unless you are bisexual, because bisexuals automatically are more "honest" 

If you have issues people will ignore because "You don't know how it feels"

If you actually want a stable relationship with one person people will doubt you, because thats totally not what straight people dp, and you end up very lonely since there isn't any person who will give a damn.

If you are straight no one will give a damn, if you are bisexual everyone wants to date you, if you are gay everyone gives you extra attention, if you are a transexual they treat you like a baby and give you compelete freedom. 

If you are straight it automatically means you're one of those annoying "God hates Homos" people , while in reality you don't hate anyone, and would just want to live a happy life, but people will think that way, because "you don't know how it feels"

 

I can go on and on, I am sorry, but I honestly hate how pretentious and annoying the "Support homos!" and "Women are superior! (femenism)" thing, when the media focuses too much on that and less about actual REAL Problems

These things happened to you?  If so, that is terrible and no one should be bullied in that matter.

Maybe it is because of where I grew up, but none of those things ever happened to me.  I knew gay people who were ashamed and bullied, and how the general society tolerated this treatment. No one has ever questioned my heterosexuality or how it relates to my character in any regard. It would be like drawing reference form the fact I am a south paw.

I would be curious on bullying how many cases of suicide a year in the US are of children bullied because they are heterosexual and if they are homosexual.  Keep in mind homosexuals tend to account for 5% of the population so I'd factor that in as well. I think (and correct me if I am wrong) we can agree that bullying children to point of suicide for what ever reason is an issue worth looking at.

Where I grew up Homosexuality is a sin, yet, yes, this stuff happens, you just not hear it because no one gives a damn.



Kantor on 26 April 2013
BasilZero said:

I assumed even though a wedding occurs between the religious in a church, they would still have to sign some sort of agreement through the government in order to be classified as a marriage (or civil union)? Or at least that is how it is where I was born from ;o.

But ya I agree with you.

Indeed, but the two are often conflated, with the result that people say that gay marriage violates religious freedom, which it does not as long as it is simply an equivalent legal union to heterosexual marriage.



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Osc89 on 26 April 2013
BasilZero said:
Like I said the state can issue marriage/union laws however they want - its their law, their word.

I know someone is gonna bash me for this (cause it seems like religion is horribly frown upon in this site whether it be positive or negative) but I dont care:

Titus 3:1 ESV 

Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work

^ If the law of the nation says that they should allow such unions then so be it however I dont think the churches should be forced to do something that they dont want to (I understand there are some like in Truck's case) but not all of them would want to do it.

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Also about interracial marriages and underage marriages (cant say much about underage marriage issues since I never heard of any except for people being against marrying at a young age) - I dont think religion/church is the core of those issues, I believe it was more racially (politically wise) motivated especially since it was heavily focused in the US (i.e. those screenshots you posted).

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About the hospital visitation issues - interesting , I didnt know there was a law or rule saying only "relatives" could visit a person at a hospital. I've been in a situation where I visited a family friend in a ICU and my grandmother who was dying at the hospital was often visited by friends, family, people from church, etc.

So this is news to me.


In principle I have no wish to force anyone to do what they don't want to do, including the Church and their members. I do however object to their open protesting of gay marriage and the way they continue to stand in the way of progress and change. I think it would be impossible to force them to hold gay marriages, although eventually they may have to make a choice to either perform them or no longer perform any kind of marriage. This would bring marriage in line with all other equality laws, for example if a couple runs a business they are not allowed to turn away customers based on gender, orientation, race or religion. Churches shouldn't be allowed either, as their discriminatory behaviour is quite frankly wrong.



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TheLastStarFighter on 26 April 2013

I'm sorry, but while there may be pro-gay messages everywhere now, it's still way harder to be gay than straight in most aspects of life. It probably always will be.



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curl-6 on 27 April 2013
PullusPardus said:
TruckOSaurus said:
kber81 said:

silly silly film... right now there is so much push and homo propaganda in medias that I  feel really uncomfortable /as hetero/...

How hard it must be for you.

People think you're an asshole just by saying you are straight.

People stop talking to you because you dont have any "Pride"

People (and especially girls) start to hate you because they think you're closed minded for feeling uneasy around gay/bisexual persons

Being straight automatically means you're a douchebag, who likes to see women as sex objects, You cannot have an honest relationship without  people thinking you are cheating/being typical straight male that is a douchebag

Your girl will always think you are being unloyal unless you are bisexual, because bisexuals automatically are more "honest" 

If you have issues people will ignore because "You don't know how it feels"

If you actually want a stable relationship with one person people will doubt you, because thats totally not what straight people dp, and you end up very lonely since there isn't any person who will give a damn.

If you are straight no one will give a damn, if you are bisexual everyone wants to date you, if you are gay everyone gives you extra attention, if you are a transexual they treat you like a baby and give you compelete freedom. 

If you are straight it automatically means you're one of those annoying "God hates Homos" people , while in reality you don't hate anyone, and would just want to live a happy life, but people will think that way, because "you don't know how it feels"

 

I can go on and on, I am sorry, but I honestly hate how pretentious and annoying the "Support homos!" and "Women are superior! (femenism)" thing, when the media focuses too much on that and less about actual REAL Problems

Wide spread bigotry and discrimination against a group of people that numbers perhaps in the hundreds of millions, based on the way they were born, is not a "real problem," but bisexuals getting more dates than you is an internationl crisis? What a load of shit.



Fireforgey on 27 April 2013
TruckOSaurus said:
cunger said:

To answer your question..  None of us would have been born.

This totally misses the point of the film.


In many ways the idea that being straight is "normal" comes from the idea that that was what nature and god intended, which includes the idea of procreation.  Take out that idea....Well in the end it becomes a video to prove a point to those who already agree and proves nothing to those who don't agree.  It's one of those self affirmations and self-congraulatory videos for people to feel how much they have "progressed" over the passed few years but will have no impact on anyone else.



AbbathTheGrim on 27 April 2013

If gay and straight would be switched, being straight would be very gay.



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NightDragon83 on 27 April 2013

That was the gayest video I've seen in a long time.



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PullusPardus on 27 April 2013
curl-6 said:
PullusPardus said:
TruckOSaurus said:
kber81 said:

silly silly film... right now there is so much push and homo propaganda in medias that I  feel really uncomfortable /as hetero/...

How hard it must be for you.

People think you're an asshole just by saying you are straight.

People stop talking to you because you dont have any "Pride"

People (and especially girls) start to hate you because they think you're closed minded for feeling uneasy around gay/bisexual persons

Being straight automatically means you're a douchebag, who likes to see women as sex objects, You cannot have an honest relationship without  people thinking you are cheating/being typical straight male that is a douchebag

Your girl will always think you are being unloyal unless you are bisexual, because bisexuals automatically are more "honest" 

If you have issues people will ignore because "You don't know how it feels"

If you actually want a stable relationship with one person people will doubt you, because thats totally not what straight people dp, and you end up very lonely since there isn't any person who will give a damn.

If you are straight no one will give a damn, if you are bisexual everyone wants to date you, if you are gay everyone gives you extra attention, if you are a transexual they treat you like a baby and give you compelete freedom. 

If you are straight it automatically means you're one of those annoying "God hates Homos" people , while in reality you don't hate anyone, and would just want to live a happy life, but people will think that way, because "you don't know how it feels"

 

I can go on and on, I am sorry, but I honestly hate how pretentious and annoying the "Support homos!" and "Women are superior! (femenism)" thing, when the media focuses too much on that and less about actual REAL Problems

Wide spread bigotry and discrimination against a group of people that numbers perhaps in the hundreds of millions, based on the way they were born, is not a "real problem," but bisexuals getting more dates than you is an internationl crisis? What a load of shit.

Yeah, I am in the minority, no one cares about the minority right?