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J_Allard said:
Max King of the Wild said:
Machiavellian said:
torok said:
CGI-Quality said:
Glass half empty perspective. On the other foot, to some, it must ache, just a tad, knowing that Sony's worst console will still outsell Microsoft's best.


Yes, that is even more interesting if we look at how bad they managed the PS3 launch and still came a year later. In the end, Sony's totally terrible management of the first 4 years of PS3 (price, launch date, PSN hack) will still beat the best effort MS ever made in consoles.

 

When you really look at it, its not that interesting.  Sony sold about 6 mill in Japan where MS does not have a  market.  That alone gives Sony a huge boost in global sells. Sony also sell in more markets then MS which is also a boost to their total global sells.  When the PS3 came out it always sold more than the 360 even with the higher price because of the PS brand.  The fact that Sony probably will take 2nd everybody pretty much stated that from the beginning.  The difference is that people stated it would be much sooner than 7 years.

If you look at it from MS perspective.  The first Xbox was a complete lost finiancially.  The 360 also started this way and also had its own troubles but MS was able to tripple the size of its install base.  Tripple the size of its online userbase.  Start to make a profit on each console and make quite a penny on it online services.  Take over 2 major markets from your competitior which is the US and UK.  Increase your market share in Europe and sell to other regions.  

So while the fanboys can thump their breast at getting 2nd place, as a product I am sure MS is very happy with what the 360 has done and it gives them a competitive chance to battle Sony PS brand without having to rush to market.

It seems people always takes this narrow view that who sales the most console is the winner but in reality, its a much longer war.  I am sure a company wants to continue to move forward than go one step forward then 2 steps behind only to have to play catch up again.

Yeah, lets take out Japan to favor MS. While we are at it lets take out US too because that favors MS... and hell... why not take out everything else because that favors one of the other too... That line of thinking is absolutely ridiculous. It isn't Sony's fault that MS can't gain traction in Japan. Just like its not MS' fault Sony didn't get as popular in the US.

Also, MS was out to take over the PS3. They even said thats what they were targeting at the begining of the gen. Sure 360 was a success and MS can be happy about it. However, they failed to obtain something they wanted. That has to be upsetting to some degree.

It's hilarious when people compare the advantage the 360 has in the US to the disadvantage the 360 has in Japan.

In Japan the 360 faces a huge cultural disadvantage right off the bat. In the US the 360 is not even the #1 console, a Japanese console is. Last gen the Xbox sold even less in Japan than the 360. Last gen you'd have to combine the GCN and Xbox US numbers together and then double them to reach what the PS2 did in the US. Yeah, they are entirely the same thing LOL.

Also, MS's goal was to stop Sony from taking over the living room with the Playstation. They have succeeded.


nothing in this blabbling nonsense is there a lol worthy comment



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Max King of the Wild said:
J_Allard said:

It's hilarious when people compare the advantage the 360 has in the US to the disadvantage the 360 has in Japan.

In Japan the 360 faces a huge cultural disadvantage right off the bat. In the US the 360 is not even the #1 console, a Japanese console is. Last gen the Xbox sold even less in Japan than the 360. Last gen you'd have to combine the GCN and Xbox US numbers together and then double them to reach what the PS2 did in the US. Yeah, they are entirely the same thing LOL.

Also, MS's goal was to stop Sony from taking over the living room with the Playstation. They have succeeded.


nothing in this blabbling nonsense is there a lol worthy comment

Instead of belittling other people and implying you have some superior intellect, how about actually addressing their points...

The man makes a good point; Microsoft has always and continues to do poorly in Japan. Nothing has changed there. Sony, on the other hand, was dominant for two generations in the US and lost a great deal to Microsoft this gen in both market share and brand power. And the US is a much bigger player regarding consoles than Japan.



archbrix said:
Max King of the Wild said:
J_Allard said:

It's hilarious when people compare the advantage the 360 has in the US to the disadvantage the 360 has in Japan.

In Japan the 360 faces a huge cultural disadvantage right off the bat. In the US the 360 is not even the #1 console, a Japanese console is. Last gen the Xbox sold even less in Japan than the 360. Last gen you'd have to combine the GCN and Xbox US numbers together and then double them to reach what the PS2 did in the US. Yeah, they are entirely the same thing LOL.

Also, MS's goal was to stop Sony from taking over the living room with the Playstation. They have succeeded.


nothing in this blabbling nonsense is there a lol worthy comment

Instead of belittling other people and implying you have some superior intellect, how about actually addressing their points...

The man makes a good point; Microsoft has always and continues to do poorly in Japan. Nothing has changed there. Sony, on the other hand, was dominant for two generations in the US and lost a great deal to Microsoft this gen in both market share and brand power. And the US is a much bigger player regarding consoles than Japan.


Nawww, especially when it comes to jallard. It really isnt a good point. Its a miserable point. There is no reason to write off Japan in a global sales comeptition. It's a way to spin coming in last. That is all it is



Max King of the Wild said:
archbrix said:
Max King of the Wild said:
J_Allard said:

It's hilarious when people compare the advantage the 360 has in the US to the disadvantage the 360 has in Japan.

In Japan the 360 faces a huge cultural disadvantage right off the bat. In the US the 360 is not even the #1 console, a Japanese console is. Last gen the Xbox sold even less in Japan than the 360. Last gen you'd have to combine the GCN and Xbox US numbers together and then double them to reach what the PS2 did in the US. Yeah, they are entirely the same thing LOL.

Also, MS's goal was to stop Sony from taking over the living room with the Playstation. They have succeeded.


nothing in this blabbling nonsense is there a lol worthy comment

Instead of belittling other people and implying you have some superior intellect, how about actually addressing their points...

The man makes a good point; Microsoft has always and continues to do poorly in Japan. Nothing has changed there. Sony, on the other hand, was dominant for two generations in the US and lost a great deal to Microsoft this gen in both market share and brand power. And the US is a much bigger player regarding consoles than Japan.


Nawww, especially when it comes to jallard. It really isnt a good point. Its a miserable point. There is no reason to write off Japan in a global sales comeptition. It's a way to spin coming in last. That is all it is

Regardless of what J Allard's intent may have been, his point is hardly miserable. Microsoft has a commanding lead over Sony in the US and the Xbox brand has all but replaced the Playstation brand as the popular name for video games in this region. Nobody is saying that Sony's console doesn't have a stronger presence globally, just that comparing Xbox's advantage in NA to its disadvantage in Japan is not of equal standing. Do you think that Microsoft would trade or even compromise what it currently enjoys in NA for a presence in Japan? I don't think they would.



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for the ppl who asked about the vita in terms of loss/profit, sony themselves have said the vita wont turn a profit for close too 3 years.



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ROBOTECHHEAVEN said:
for the ppl who asked about the vita in terms of loss/profit, sony themselves have said the vita wont turn a profit for close too 3 years.

When Kaz said that, he was referring to the whole venture, not selling the Vita at a loss.  On that topic, Yoshida said this before the Vita's launch:

"For Vita, the price on performance was something we definitely wanted to hit, although we all agreed because we are PlayStation, people expect better graphics and prettier pictures, so we have all those things we wanted to achieve in terms of capabilities, but we capped our ambitions with a cost of goods target that we can profitably sell the hardware for $250.

To answer your question, we set out a goal: Yes, we're going to hit the $250 price, and no, we don't want to sell the hardware with a deficit. That's a goal we set out to do and I'm very happy we are achieving that."



archbrix said:
Max King of the Wild said:
archbrix said:
Max King of the Wild said:
J_Allard said:

It's hilarious when people compare the advantage the 360 has in the US to the disadvantage the 360 has in Japan.

In Japan the 360 faces a huge cultural disadvantage right off the bat. In the US the 360 is not even the #1 console, a Japanese console is. Last gen the Xbox sold even less in Japan than the 360. Last gen you'd have to combine the GCN and Xbox US numbers together and then double them to reach what the PS2 did in the US. Yeah, they are entirely the same thing LOL.

Also, MS's goal was to stop Sony from taking over the living room with the Playstation. They have succeeded.


nothing in this blabbling nonsense is there a lol worthy comment

Instead of belittling other people and implying you have some superior intellect, how about actually addressing their points...

The man makes a good point; Microsoft has always and continues to do poorly in Japan. Nothing has changed there. Sony, on the other hand, was dominant for two generations in the US and lost a great deal to Microsoft this gen in both market share and brand power. And the US is a much bigger player regarding consoles than Japan.


Nawww, especially when it comes to jallard. It really isnt a good point. Its a miserable point. There is no reason to write off Japan in a global sales comeptition. It's a way to spin coming in last. That is all it is

Regardless of what J Allard's intent may have been, his point is hardly miserable. Microsoft has a commanding lead over Sony in the US and the Xbox brand has all but replaced the Playstation brand as the popular name for video games in this region. Nobody is saying that Sony's console doesn't have a stronger presence globally, just that comparing Xbox's advantage in NA to its disadvantage in Japan is not of equal standing. Do you think that Microsoft would trade or even compromise what it currently enjoys in NA for a presence in Japan? I don't think they would.

lols. I'm sorry but this comment is too funny. It all but replaced it? wowzers....



LoL @ people claiming the other products in the division ruined the results and not the PS3.

5 of the 7 years on the market the PS3 was included in a division with only profitable products (PS2, PSP and Vaio) and the division still reported losses for the most part (4 of these 5 years showed losses).

The other 2 years were the FY endind March 2012 ("consumer" division, everything included) and the current one including the Vita.

Even their own CEO said the PS3 would never be profitable, but some VGC forum members are still in denial. good stuff.



Imagine not having GamePass on your console...

LOL @ DirtyP2002 claiming he knows whats involved behind closed doors at Sony Corp