Mr Khan said:
KungKras said:
kupomogli said:
KungKras said:
kupomogli said:
Suke said:
This sucks for the gamers, which is why I recommend Wii U owners to buy Deus Ex: Human Revolution. Show devs that you care about multiplats. The main reason you never see multiplats on Nintendo consoles is because comsumers only buy them for the first party exclusives.
Wii U owners, if you really want this game, show it, show Nintendo you want multiplats. Sign petitions, do what ever it take to get the word out. I may not be the biggest Nintendo fan, but I don't want to see Nintendo to be ignore like this. |
This.
Most people who own Nintendo consoles don't buy third party on them and they're the reason that the support on the consoles have been so poor and there's next to no support for the Wii U.
The Wii U has sold around three million consoles with Zombie U being the third highest selling game on the console with 380,000. Only 11 games have sold 100,000 or more.
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Nintendo gamers bought a lot of third party games when their consoles were treated in an acceptable manner by third parties. When they started getting treated like shit, post SNES/N64, they bought less.
On the handhelds, where they haven't been given the middle finger, third party sales have always been healthy.
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The NES and SNES sold well because they were the dominant consoles on the market. Nintendo strong armed developers with threats that if they didn't remain Nintendo exclusive they wouldn't be allowed to develop future titles on Nintendo consoles. This is the reason Sega licensed many games from developers like Capcom and ported the games themselves.
The Playstation was released and while it wasn't supported much in the start, it sold very well. Developers jumped ship from Nintendo's monopoly on the market and went with Sony. That's where the third party support faltered and Nintendo really only has themselves to blame. Because Squaresoft wanted to develop Final Fantasy 7 on the Playstation, Nintendo tried their strong arm tactic on them and that's the reason that Squaresoft didn't release games on Nintendo consoles for such a long time and why you saw them give good support to Bandai's Wonderswan.
Developers started to support Nintendo again late that gen or during the following gen. The Gamecube received a lot of console exclusives, but none of them sold very well. The Wii had a lot of console support from developers like Sega, EA, and Activision, and a little bit of support from everyone else. A few good exclusives from multiple companies that also didn't sell well.
So regardless if developers gave Nintendo the middle finger, there was still support of good Gamecube exclusives and good Wii U exclusives which didn't get sales from the fanbase. As Nintendo fans if you're telling the developers that you're not going to buy their games, what do you expect them to do? You still expect them to release games in the future for you continue not buying them?
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I forgot to add this, but Nintendo fans barely support third party developers on the handhelds as well. There's more third party support so you would come across that assumption, but the fact of the matter is that across all current Nintendo consoles, there's very little third party support, especially compared to how much support first party titles get.
Here are the sales of games from the original DS. I'll point out first off that New Super Mario Bros sold just over 29 million copies, but look at how many games until the sales drop below a million? The DS has 130 games that broke a million while the Wii has 141. The 360 has 173 games and the PS3 has 171 games. Without even going through the list, I can guarantee that there are far more first party titles in the DS and Wii lists than there are in the PS360 lists. The PS360 games cost more at launch as well.
http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/
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Nintendo did not have a monoploly. Remember Sega?
Also, the narrative I remember is that Square and Nintendo were really close before FFVII but Since Nintendo didn't want to pay Square money for it, they jumped ship. What do you mean trying to strong-arm them afterwards?
Also, can Nintendo really be blamed for strict policies on their consoles with the atari era still fresh in their memory?
We must not be talking about the same gamecube. The really big games of that era like GTA and Final Fantasy skipped the GC, and Gamecube gamers were thrown bare bones like Final Fantasy Crystal Cronicles and a Metal Gear remake. Some cool games like Eternal Darkness and Rogue Leader emerged from Nintendo actively seeking partnerships and Resident Evil was the only real big series that was properly represented on it. Compared to the support that other consoles got, GC gamers were pitifully treated.
You can't use Nintendo games doing well as an indicator that third parties aren't. Is it fair to demand Nintendo games do less well on their systems? DS sales of third party games were perfectly fine. Game sales are traditionally lower on handhelds, and in return the dev costs are lower as well.
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I do find it hilarious how people talking about Wii U doom seem to think that GameCube had great third party support.
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@KrungKas.
Of course I remember Sega. This is why I list Sega in the very first paragraph pointing out that they were required to port the titles themselves to get a lot of multiconsole titles from bigger name developers.
Look at the picture below of Strider. See that "reprogrammed by Sega." It's that Sega got the license to be able to take the arcade version and port it over to the Genesis and Master System. This wasn't just Capcom, but a lot of developers had to sign contracts and remain exclusive to Nintendo in order to develop for them. The only time developers ported games and such to other consoles is when their contracts lapsed. I'm sure you can find more info if you're to Google it, what games were reprogrammed by Sega, Nintendo's control over the gaming market, etc. A monopoly doesn't necessarily mean "Nintendo was the only console developer." They had control over almost all of the biggest developers. That's a monopoly. There were several companies that both entered and exited the business during that time because they couldn't get decent third party support. No support meant less console sales. The Wii U has hardly any developers and this is a time when developers are free to go with whoever they want, but think about console developers like Hudson or SNK when they got into the console business and got little developer support. No support from any of the bigger developers except during a lapse in contract
Squaresoft didn't quit developing for Nintendo because they wouldn't give them money to develop Final Fantasy 7. Sony wanted to fund Squaresoft and Squaresoft didn't want to be tied to the constraints of the cartridge format for all of their games. Squaresoft and Nintendo broke it off very badly so they didn't release games for Nintendo for quite some time.
Here's a paper written in 2001 on the subject.
http://xenon.stanford.edu/~geksiong/papers/sts145/Squaresoft%20and%20FF7.htm
"Squaresoft’s relationship with Nintendo remains touchy even to this day. The split was so bitter that even after Nintendo re-established relations with Namco in 1999, Yamauchi, president of Nintendo, still refused to consider working with Squaresoft. When asked about if Nintendo would allow Squaresoft to publish games for their upcoming GameCube console, Minoru Arakawa of Nintendo replied, “I don’t think it is yet time for Squaresoft.”
Many people think that the reason Squaresoft finally came back to Nintendo was when Yamauchi retired and Iwata took over. That would actually be in line with release dates, as Iwata took over in early 2002, then late 2002 the first Squaresoft game a Nintendo console has got in eight years was released on the GBA.
@Mr Khan
The Gamecube had great third party support. Way better than the N64. Gamecube has a lot of great exclusives and multiconsole titles that are just as good or better than the other versions. The Wii has more third party support, although a lot of that is shovelware or downgraded versions from the HD consoles, but there's some good games within all that junk.
