I'm sorry, I am behind the times on these silly little monikers guys like yourself make so you have any ounce of credibility in a discussion like this. Exactly what are the differences beteween core and hardcore? Does Mark of the Ninja need online MP or something to be a "real" game? Does Fez need killstreaks or slo mo camera sequences? Help me out here. You asked me for games, I listed for you some awesome games. Sorry, I don't give a **** how you want to classify them.

Thanks for the hilarious reply though, I got quite a chuckle out of it.

ok ok i get your point, microsoft have put billions into two consoles and have over two gens are still in 3rd place, but with a much bigger chunk in the market share.....enough of a chunk to make back profits?? who knows but id use the word success loosely

You pay for PPV's in the UFC app. Everything else, no. You have to be a FIOS customer to use the FIOS app, it basically turns the 360 into a cable box. ESPN3, no, all free. Who knows or cares how they compare in numbers to Netflix? But I gotta lol @ FIOS or ESPN3 being "niche". You've clearly never used either of them. That's cool though.

I never said MS wanted to become the centerpiece for home entertainment, though that could very well be their goal and they are well on their way to it. I said they wanted to stop Sony from becoming it. And they have. Also, if the ability to buy HD movies and/or stream them on 360 is no big deal and its all about BluRay, why are you making a big fuss over Netflix?

Streaming FIOS/ESPN on Xbox is niche. How many people use the Xbox as a cable box over a real cable box? Who pays for ESPN on the Xbox when they have cable already? Who cares if you have the app if not enough people care to use it.

Sony continues to be centerpiece for home entertainment in Japan. In US, they are the centerpiece for Blu-ray Movies and movie streaming. Cable continues to dominate televised progammes. Where does Xbox stand? No where.

Interesting, because other people would say I was a PC fangirl because of my views on it and how the PS3 and 360 are holding back the industry, but hey, your agenda is pretty transparent if you want to assume i'm a sony fangirl to sleep better at night then by all means do so, doesn't change the fact that, being in the games industry myself, and having spent a lot of time working on all three devkits, i've a much more solid idea of each consoles endgame, and thus am in a much better position to predict the outcome.

"before the next xbox has even been revealed" doesn't really work as an argument when i spend most of my day at work sat in front of the very hardware you're all waiting to see released.

Of course you do.... Hahahahaha

PS3 is more successful due to everything you list. The 360 had a head start, sales figures were boosted due to awful reliability, and MC lost a lot of profit due to warranty repairs.

While Sony goes bankrupt doing so.

The sales are actually ps3: 77m 360: 76m so yeah.

You have no idea if the PS3 is actually the "centerpiece" for any of that. And for that reason, MS succeeded. Last gen had you asked about the absolute leader in gaming and multimedia it would have been the PS2. Now that isn't the case. Again, mission accomplished.

No one pays for it. The app doesn't cost anything extra. And ESPN3 on the 360 is awesome even if you have a cable box hooked up to the same TV. The app is not the same as watching ESPN on TV. It's blatantly obvious you have no idea what the app is, what it does, or what you're talking about in general in regards to 360 apps. So no point in responding to you any further.