It is impossible to truly know how many sales are "new" sales for each device.

1) MS had RRoD which skewed some sales
2) MS has rev'd a slimmer 360 skewing sales
3) Sony has rev'd a slimmer and changed console twice skewing sales
4) Themed consoles like Gears, Uncharterd, Halo, Final Fantasy, God of War, etc. skew sales
5) Change console colors and finish (Black, matte black, white, piano black, etc. skew sales
6) Changing hard drive size skew sales because most people don't unscrew their device to change the hard drive
7) Changing connectors by adding HDMI ports, Kinect specific ports also skew sales
8) Nobody knows how many people by more than one console in their house because they game in many places in their home

A better indicator of console sales is how well games sell. But this too only tells you demographics of people buying specific consoles than it does the number of consoles sold... In general (not always true):

1) Shooters sell significantly better on 360
2) RPGs sell slightly better on 360
3) Fighting games like SF, MK, etc. sell better on PS3
4) Adventure games like Tomb Raider and Unchartered sell better on PS3
5) Motion games sell better on 360
6) Lego games sell better on 360, best on Wii
7) Action games like God of War sell better on PS3
8) Racing games sell better on PS3
9) Games with heavy online gameplay sell better on 360
10) etc... etc...

Raw sales numbers only tell part of the picture, the rest is in the details which only Sony and MS truly know how well they have done. Both feel they are doing well enough to both release new consoles. That is good for gamers and we should support both platforms!

MS doesn't care if Nintendo "wins", Nintendo was not the company threatening to become the centerpiece of home entertainment and replace the PC. Sony was. And MS took care of that. And they don't care that they lost money doing it. How do you think Sony took over Nintendo for two generations? By outspending them. Now MS is doing the same to Sony.

But more people use netflix on the PS3 than the Xbox.. so mission failure?

and to all the RROD arguments not being around 50%.. the failure rate of an device increases as time progresses. Here is a standard probability question for you: If your xbox has a 24% failure in the first two year, what is probability that your xbox failed at least once in the 7-8 years that you owned it? Now compare that of a PS3's 10% failure rate in the first two year.

lol?

Yes, MS got into console gaming and spent billions so that more people would stream movies via Netflix on their console.

Do you even read what you wrote?

"MS doesn't care if Nintendo "wins", Nintendo was not the company threatening to become the centerpiece of home entertainment and replace the PC. Sony was. And MS took care of that. And they don't care that they lost money doing it. How do you think Sony took over Nintendo for two generations? By outspending them. Now MS is doing the same to Sony."

This is all according your logic... so lol @ you?

yes but the ps1 and ps2 were massivly profitable, I wouldn't say the 360 has been massivly profitable, infact its been a very expensive mission to obtain 3rd place (not yet but at the end of this year) I don't think mission has been acomplished, its the classic saying, they may have won this battle, but they havnt won the war.......but really i suppose they didnt even win the battle, id say it was a draw

I'm laughing at the notion that MS must have failed in that strategy simply because the PS3 ranked higher in Netflix use. I mean, that's a nice victory for Sony I guess, but there's much more to being the centerpiece of home entertainment than Netflix. Xbox has tons of other apps like UFC, FIOS, ESPN3, etc etc. Too many to list. They're pushing for something much more than being a Netflix/Bluray box. If they weren't making such huge strides, you wouldn't hear rumors about the next console looking to replace your cable box. But apparently they should fold up shop because more people stream movies on PS3?

PS3 ate away all of the PS1 profits. Or maybe it was PS2? Either way, lol @ a draw.

Also, no one has any idea exactly how profitable the Xbox is, because MS puts a bunch of money losing projects in its division. The fact that the division makes money speaks volumes about 360 profitability to me.

Despite the initial spoke in publicity, the 360 has been going downhill for the past few years, all of those subscription based features you talk about?, yeah, your standard smart tv or cable box can provide them by default, it's clear Microsoft's intention next generation is to go for the casuals and the couch potatos with it's pay-per-use services and hardware design, so all microsoft has succeeded in doing this generation is advertising the next.

Looking at the skewed release dates may not matter in the longrun, because "ps3 only just caught up and sales are sales", but when you have similar launch dates the end result is that the headstart in sales is no longer there to prop up the console.

This generation is as such, in terms of success.

Wii > 360 > PS3

Had the 360 and PS3 been released at the same time, sony would still have made losses due to the hardware used, however it would have been

Wii > PS3 > 360 in terms of unit sales.

Next generation will be:

PS4 > WiiU and 720 fighting between each other.

You can fire off any sort of point or argument you want but in a year or twos time i'll come back to this very post and smack you in the face with it.

If you're talking about subscriptions to the services themselves, the only one I listed that requires a subscription is FIOS TV and your cable box would be kind of useless as well without that subscription. Most of them don't require a subscription to watch them on the 360 while many of them require special programming packages to access on that cable box. So that's where the beauty of it comes in. Eventually MS hopes you won't need that cable box you brought up.

I don't care about what woulda coulda shoulda happened had different things happened this gen. All that matters to me as it pertains to this thread is Sony lost a ton of marketshare to Nintendo and MS and they lost a ton of money. Cool story about next gen, though its kind of reveals your agendas when you're already calling next gen before the next Xbox has even been revealed.