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considering the variables, is ps3 more successful than 360?

Numbers are Numbers, 360 is doing better. 134 19.12%
 
Considering the variables... 512 73.04%
 
These Variables shouldn'... 26 3.71%
 
Other, please specify! 29 4.14%
 
Total:701
slowmo said:
Tachikoma said:
J_Allard said:
I don't care about what woulda coulda shoulda happened had different things happened this gen. All that matters to me as it pertains to this thread is Sony lost a ton of marketshare to Nintendo and MS and they lost a ton of money. Cool story about next gen, though its kind of reveals your agendas when you're already calling next gen before the next Xbox has even been revealed.

Interesting, because other people would say I was a PC fangirl because of my views on it and how the PS3 and 360 are holding back the industry, but hey, your agenda is pretty transparent if you want to assume i'm a sony fangirl to sleep better at night then by all means do so, doesn't change the fact that, being in the games industry myself, and having spent a lot of time working on all three devkits, i've a much more solid idea of each consoles endgame, and thus am in a much better position to predict the outcome.

"before the next xbox has even been revealed" doesn't really work as an argument when i spend most of my day at work sat in front of the very hardware you're all waiting to see released.

Of course you do.... Hahahahaha

I've entrusted a select few people from these forums with more detailed information, they are free to chime in and correct your doubt at their own disgression, however for your own sake i would advise that you limit how much you "call bs" as you'll only end up looking silly in the end.

I'll take this opportunity to also state that I work part time as a multi platform reviewer, too - go ahead and call BS on that, unlike with my other job i'm not bound by NDA not to show you the error of your assumption.



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Tachikoma said:
J_Allard said:
I don't care about what woulda coulda shoulda happened had different things happened this gen. All that matters to me as it pertains to this thread is Sony lost a ton of marketshare to Nintendo and MS and they lost a ton of money. Cool story about next gen, though its kind of reveals your agendas when you're already calling next gen before the next Xbox has even been revealed.

Interesting, because other people would say I was a PC fangirl because of my views on it and how the PS3 and 360 are holding back the industry, but hey, your agenda is pretty transparent if you want to assume i'm a sony fangirl to sleep better at night then by all means do so, doesn't change the fact that, being in the games industry myself, and having spent a lot of time working on all three devkits, i've a much more solid idea of each consoles endgame, and thus am in a much better position to predict the outcome.

"before the next xbox has even been revealed" doesn't really work as an argument when i spend most of my day at work sat in front of the very hardware you're all waiting to see released.

I.. don't think the words "sony" or "fangirl" ever came up in my post describing you but thanks though.



J_Allard said:
Wlakiz said:

Streaming FIOS/ESPN on Xbox is niche. How many people use the Xbox as a cable box over a real cable box? Who pays for ESPN on the Xbox when they have cable already? Who cares if you have the app if not enough people care to use it.

Sony continues to be centerpiece for home entertainment in Japan. In US, they are the centerpiece for Blu-ray Movies and movie streaming. Cable continues to dominate televised progammes. Where does Xbox stand? No where.

You have no idea if the PS3 is actually the "centerpiece" for any of that. And for that reason, MS succeeded. Last gen had you asked about the absolute leader in gaming and multimedia it would have been the PS2. Now that isn't the case. Again, mission accomplished.

No one pays for it. The app doesn't cost anything extra. And ESPN3 on the 360 is awesome even if you have a cable box hooked up to the same TV. The app is not the same as watching ESPN on TV. It's blatantly obvious you have no idea what the app is, what it does, or what you're talking about in general in regards to 360 apps. So no point in responding to you any further.

If anything caused the PS console to no longer be the absolute leader, it would be the year late release and the success of the Wii.



Tachikoma said:
slowmo said:
Tachikoma said:
J_Allard said:
I don't care about what woulda coulda shoulda happened had different things happened this gen. All that matters to me as it pertains to this thread is Sony lost a ton of marketshare to Nintendo and MS and they lost a ton of money. Cool story about next gen, though its kind of reveals your agendas when you're already calling next gen before the next Xbox has even been revealed.

Interesting, because other people would say I was a PC fangirl because of my views on it and how the PS3 and 360 are holding back the industry, but hey, your agenda is pretty transparent if you want to assume i'm a sony fangirl to sleep better at night then by all means do so, doesn't change the fact that, being in the games industry myself, and having spent a lot of time working on all three devkits, i've a much more solid idea of each consoles endgame, and thus am in a much better position to predict the outcome.

"before the next xbox has even been revealed" doesn't really work as an argument when i spend most of my day at work sat in front of the very hardware you're all waiting to see released.

Of course you do.... Hahahahaha

I've entrusted a select few people from these forums with more detailed information, they are free to chime in and correct your doubt at their own disgression, however for your own sake i would advise that you limit how much you "call bs" as you'll only end up looking silly in the end.

I'll take this opportunity to also state that I work part time as a multi platform reviewer, too - go ahead and call BS on that, unlike with my other job i'm not bound by NDA not to show you the error of your assumption.

If I don't believe you, I'm hardly likely to believe the others you've mugged off either.  Everyone's a critic, writing down your thoughts doesn't mean you're any better educated on the subject. 

For the record, I'd like to know how someone doubting what someone else has written on the internet is going to look "silly".  If I believed you outright then I'd be the idiot.  Anyway, this conversation is done, I'm saying your talking bullshit, everyone else is entitled to make their own mind up. 



Pokeslob said:

here's some variable that popped into my head when reviewing lifetime sales of 360 and ps3.

1. the 360 has a lead of less than 2mil according to the chart on the homepage.

2. 360 had an entire year to sell systems without the ps3 rivalary

3. when someone's 360 broke, and they went ahead and bought a new one without trying to repair the first one, that counts as a new sale.

that last point there, as someone who works in the gaming industry, I do notice a lot of people doing that, instead of trying to fix it they just go ahead an buy a new one.

with those variables in mind, would you say that the ps3 is actually more successful than 360, or not?

explain why, I'm interested :)

1) True.

2) And in exchange, the PS3 had an entire year of R&D and improvements.

3) Yes, but:

a) There was a three year warranty on all systems, which does NOT count as a sale.

b) The PS3's failure rate is non-zero and I know this because my first PS3 broke and I did have to buy a new one.

 

So no, the PS3 has not sold better than the 360, though it has made up a huge amount of ground since its initial awful phase, and done a lot better than most people (myself included) expected. I thought it would stop at around 65 million. Many people were saying back in 2009 that it would struggle to hit 40 million.



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slowmo said:

If I don't believe you, I'm hardly likely to believe the others you've mugged off either.  Everyone's a critic, writing down your thoughts doesn't mean you're any better educated on the subject. 

For the record, I'd like to know how someone doubting what someone else has written on the internet is going to look "silly".  If I believed you outright then I'd be the idiot.  Anyway, this conversation is done, I'm saying your talking bullshit, everyone else is entitled to make their own mind up. 

Others believe because they have every reason to do so upon talking to me, or through corrospondance at my work emails, but hey, some people just don't WANT to believe because what i'm saying doing gel well with their personal opinion, so let me make it easier on you.

This is just a very small portion of my collection, most of which is back at home in Japan where I work, But if a DECH2000AS ps3 debug and a PCH-1004 non-retail vita isn't enough and you'd like to see my 360 SDK, Rev 1 PlayStation 3 devkit and other such fun things you'll have to wait until I fly home mid april.



tonymarraffa said:
TheJimbo1234 said:
PS3 is more successful due to everything you list. The 360 had a head start, sales figures were boosted due to awful reliability, and MC lost a lot of profit due to warranty repairs.


While Sony goes bankrupt doing so.


Because Sony only makes consoles....oh wait *facepalm*



TheJimbo1234 said:
tonymarraffa said:
TheJimbo1234 said:
PS3 is more successful due to everything you list. The 360 had a head start, sales figures were boosted due to awful reliability, and MC lost a lot of profit due to warranty repairs.


While Sony goes bankrupt doing so.


Because Sony only makes consoles....oh wait *facepalm*


Well it's their whole business that's losing money so have a facepalm yourself.



tonymarraffa said:
TheJimbo1234 said:
tonymarraffa said:
TheJimbo1234 said:
PS3 is more successful due to everything you list. The 360 had a head start, sales figures were boosted due to awful reliability, and MC lost a lot of profit due to warranty repairs.


While Sony goes bankrupt doing so.


Because Sony only makes consoles....oh wait *facepalm*


Well it's their whole business that's losing money so have a facepalm yourself.


Or you made a massive brain fart and spouted nonsense ^^  You can't say "PS3 IS DOING BAD CAUSE PHONES ARE SELLING BADLY!" They are not related in any possible way. It's a classical fallacious argument.



TheJimbo1234 said:
tonymarraffa said:
TheJimbo1234 said:
tonymarraffa said:
TheJimbo1234 said:
PS3 is more successful due to everything you list. The 360 had a head start, sales figures were boosted due to awful reliability, and MC lost a lot of profit due to warranty repairs.


While Sony goes bankrupt doing so.


Because Sony only makes consoles....oh wait *facepalm*


Well it's their whole business that's losing money so have a facepalm yourself.


Or you made a massive brain fart and spouted nonsense ^^  You can't say "PS3 IS DOING BAD CAUSE PHONES ARE SELLING BADLY!" They are not related in any possible way. It's a classical fallacious argument.


I didn't mean that the PS3 was losing money. I meant the company as a whole.