you sure, i was accounting for inflation at least for the home consoles, but what the hell you might be right. If that is true then there are no true system movers?

There's customers who will buy a $350 console for a game, but not NSMB's audience. At any rate, most system sellers are more of a "straw that broke the camel's back" thing; the overall library has to appealing enough that one very appealing game tips the buyer over the edge. Wii U isn't there yet.

Wii U has asymmetric gaming which is a brilliant new way to play with friends and family. Once they start bringing out more game to really demonstrate how good it is the Wii U will take off. The Wii had Wii Sports right off the bat to demonstrate it's potential. Wii U really hasn't had that game yet.

fair enough

The WiiU isn't an ugly purple box. It matters.

I totally agree, a lot of people who didn't play video games before the PS2, bought it it for the cheap DVD player. The games followed.

Here's where YOUR "logical conclusion" doesn't hold a drop of water.

When the Gamecube released, America and the world had a VERY different economy. The economy, while "recovering", is still shit right now compared to how things were back in 2001. If you don't realize that, you need to seriously get an education.

And more importantly, why the fuck do you people keep popping up with a million different variations on the "Nintendo is doomed" bullshit threads?

Let's just say, FOR A MOMEMENT, just to humor this retardation, that the Wii U failed miserably, doesn't make Nintendo money, etc. etc.  Okay? My question then, is IN that highly unlikely scenario, where do people like you who wasted their time and precious brain cells writing threads like this, stand? Because the impression I get is that you people are either trolling, or you're so fucking nerdy that you actually would derive some sort of perverse gamer-pleasure from seeing Nintendo fail. So what? So that you and your Playstation/Xbox fanboy buddies can high five each other and say "YEAH, see I TOLD you our system was better!"?

Sorry, I just don't get it. I literally don't see a logical, intelligent, or coherant point to any of these dumb fuckin' threads. If it succeeds, it succeeds. If it fails, it fails. What, as someone who goes out of his way to address other people as "Nintendo Fans", making the clear distinction that you're NOT a "Nintendo Fan", then does it matter to you, at all? The whole thing just seems incredilby childish and pointless. This isn't early 90s playground territory, saying "MY Sega's better than YOUR Nintendo!"  

I really think the gaming community needs to try and grow the fuck up. It's 2013.

Yet the vast majority were exclusives and new series....which is my entire point *facepalm*

Never hearing of them shows how they were not popular. Everyone has heard of Halo and the games I mentioned. Few have heard of the ones you mentioned.

So what Western styled games are you talking about? You do have to, you know,  NAME those games right? Just saying "IT HAD SOMEE!!!" doesn't make it true.

Ha! So there is no reason in your mind? Well it shows that reality and your mind seem to be seperate then doesn't it.

You're absolutely correct.

But what is the one thing that can save a system in a dire spot? (Like the pre-Sonic Megadrive, the PS3, 1993 SNES, etc)

I don't understand why a lot of people talk about the GameCube like it was some misunderstood console that never got the attention it deserved. Yes, GameCube had great games like Pikmin and Metroid Prime. Yes, it could argued that Resident Evil's best era (in terms of quality) was on the GameCube. Yes, it did have some quality exclusive third party games.

However, what most of you don't seem to remember is that GameCube still lacked the games that made PS2 such a hit. GameCube didn't have a GTA game. It didn't have a Devil May Cry game. It had a Metal Gear game,but it was a remake that was released way too late to make a difference. Also, when people say the GameCube lacked games, they also meant that it didn't have the right games at the right time. It had good launch titles, but then it was proceeded by a dry eight months with hardly any quality games other than Resident Evil, Sonic Adventure 2, and Eternal Darkness. And online play? More like a lack of it. Nintendo never really supported online features for the GameCube. In fact, Sega was a bigger supporter of it than Nintendo. The GBA Link cable was an idea that was born prematurely and wouldn't be fully realized until the Nintendo DS. Not to mention it was too much hardware. Wanna know why The Legend of Zelda: The Four Swords Adventure didn't do so well? Well, it emphasized on multiplayer, yet required way too much hardware. You needed four GBA's and four GBA link cables.

As for GameCube's best games, let's look at them. The Pikmin games were great and sold decently, but the RTS genre doesn't exactly sell consoles. The Metroid Prime games were great, but again, Metroid isn't one of Nintendo's most popular frnachises. It's actually one of their least popular franchises. Super Mario Sunshine wasn't necessarily pushing the platforming genre forward the way Mario 64 did. Resident Evil did okay, but even back in the early 2000's survival horror games did not sell consoles.

So, that's what GameCube's problem was. It didn't have the right games at the right time, it didn't have the types of games that actually sell consoles, even if the games themselves sold. Online play was unrealized. The GBA link feature came out of the womb too early. That's just a few problems that system had.