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JoeTheBro on 10 March 2013
twilight_link said:
JoeTheBro said:
Paquito said:
JoeTheBro said:
As I type this out on my WII U, I can't help but agree. The Wii ruined Nintendo's reputation.


NES ruined Nintendo reputation too?


Did the NES all but abandon gamers for grandmas instead? Sure Nintendo made tons of money but they also pushed away a lot of their fans. Now they are returning to core market yet most of us aren't convinced they have. At the same time the Wii U is trying to be more than wiggle-crap so grandmas and casuals don't want it either. Therefor only hardcore gamers and Nintendo fanboys are buying it right now.

Nintendo fans abandoned Nintendo because of Wii is complete nonsense, who are those fans who left Nintendo, or better fans of Nintendo abandoned them for what Call of Duty, Uncharted or Halo, the only platform abandoned by their supporters is Vita abandoned by PSP crowd and PSP was platform aimed at hardcore gamers.

The truth is Playstation fans are interested in one thing cool factor, they're the same stock who abandoned Sega Dreamcast for Playstation 2 and now they ignoring Vita for iPad

 

This is why most Sony 1st party games are only moderate succes, even badly ported games on Playstation 3 as Skyrim sells better than most 1st party games, and even on Vita the 2nd besteslling game is actually horrible version of CoD.

 

Skyrim was cool, CoD is cool even as bad game the brand is cool enough for Playstation crowd and this is all what matter for them





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rutea7 on 11 March 2013
Alby_da_Wolf said:
rutea7 said:
Paquito said:
The problem with the Wii U = FALSE

Starting with that true, I can say to you that the problem with the third parties will be solved when Nintendo, again, go to the rescue of the console. And then: 10/10, 40/40,... you know, Nintendo games.

Are you to young to not see that the third companies abandoned Nintendo since PS is here? Playstation IS the problem, the problem of the videogame industry.

Feel free to report me for this but that is one of the most childish thing I ever read in this forum. Nintendo's relationship with 3rd parties is solely their responsibility and PlayStation brand didn't keep the Xbox 360 from thriving this current generation so don't make lame excuses.

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Gamerace on 11 March 2013

I agree that the Wii is largely responsible for WiiU's lack of interest in both casual and core groups.
Nintendo very poorly supported the casual market it had attracted after 2010 and NoA especially supported the core quite horribly. NoJ was actually quite good with core games and NoE ported over a lot more than NoA ever did.

However as far Nintendo ruining their reputation by poor support in the later years of Wii's life, that's hogwash, as Nintendo has a long standing reputation of doing that every generation. GC was horribly staved for games during it's last 18mths and it's swan song Zelda got ported to Wii (at least Z:SS remained a Wii exclusive). Actually Nintendo's late in life support for Wii was better than GC or N64. Xenoblade, Rythym Heaven, The Last Story, Fatal Frame II, Pandora's Tower. Good to excellent games out in the last year or so. However nothing there for casuals (except for RH which at $30 for what is essencially a iOS game was just plain overpriced).

It's not all Wii's fault though. We are living in the day and age of mobile gaming. Kids 8 and 11 are all about mobile games and they go through them like junk food. Play one for a while, get bored, play the next one, then the next, and the next and the next. There's an endless supply! Free or dirt cheap! As a parent, why on earth would I buy a WiiU for my kids so I can buy, ummm... one or two games they'll play for $60 and they'll bore of them in a week. No, instead I'll give them my old smart phone or tablet and buy the latest one for myself. It just makes a whole lot more financial sense.

This is partly why WiiU upsets me, it's a piss-poor answer to this problem. So is the PS4 but the PS4 is entirely focused on the core market which will subtain it but likely, not even at PS3's level in today's marketplace.

As far as WiiU appealing to the Nintendo core, it needs some Nintendo core games. IE: Zelda, Metroid, 3D Mario, Smash Bros. The faster those come out, the better. That's WiiU's only concievable market for the next few years.



 

AnthonyW86 on 11 March 2013
VGKing said:
BlkPaladin said:

The problem with the Wii U sales isn't something that simple. But its close. The main reason is the economy and the "free market". People will only pay as much as the market can bear, and right now with the conditions that are currently going on in the US and Europe buying a new system that has a over $300 price tag isn't something they can just go out and do. And with the problems that the sequester program cuts are going to cause their ability to buy luxury impulse items such as game systems is just going to diminish.

And when it comes down to whether they will buy the new Smart phone/iPad or a new game system, the Smart phone will probably win. Because luxury items are usually meant to show off, and it is easier to show off a phone you have with you and not a system. (Because that is just the way the mass market works.)

So it isn't just the Wii and Nintendo handling of the Wii's software, it is also the 360 and the PS3. Because most who are looking to get a game system who are not consider a system's "core" base, or those who will buy the new system no matter what, they will look at the new system and see an expensive system with a few expensive games, usually sitting next to the older cheaper system, with a ton of games ranging from a few dollars to $60, and some of those games make up a good percentage of the new system's library. Now what you you get go out $600 and only get a system, and at most 3 or four games. Or spend $400 and get a system and the same, or in their mind comparable, games. (Because in most non-core gamers mind there isn't that much of a difference in squeals, so they will prefer to pick up the Killzone compilation in favor for the lure of a new Killzone on the PS4)

So you can view what is currently happening to the Wii U as a portent was what the market is going to be like for the PS4 and the next Xbox. You will have your cores buying up the system during the first few months on the market and then the sales will go down to a trickle. Because your average customer will not be interested in getting the latest and greatest if there is a cheaper alternative on the shelves, with a bigger library and the "same games" out on the older machine.

Also the case of no backwards compatibility is going to play a difference in the first year of the machines lives, especially if some of the titles are going to be $70 like Patcher is contending. (Even though he isn't correct usually, but even a blind man can get a bulls eye if he throws enough darts.)

As for the core not all will adopt the new machines, Kotaku recently put up the results of a survey which concluded only 29% of those who consider themselves core, probally by how much they play and buy for the machines, will be first adopters. Which is the feeling I get when I go to different boards and see comments like "Very nice machine, I will get it once the price drops to $250." It seems $250-to-$300 is going to be the magical number this generation, because that is the price most are drop some are saying $350, and less are $400 and above. (I consider those are the core who will buy no matter what.)

So I would say after that there is two things Nintendo needs to do, one a price cut, we already see they are doing something like that with the ZombieU bundle, more 1st party games and a bigger library. Then they will go on the upswing, and probably will become a barrier for the new console to get over in 2014.

Source of the 29% - http://kotaku.com/5988269/?post=57954381

That's not true. The majority of PS3 sales were made at $300+ 
Of course the lower the price, the better but people will pay for a $300+ console. PS3 in particular is proof of that. Also with the next gen, there will be more free to play games than there ever were this gen. People will be more likely to pay for an expensive console is they feel they get their moneys worth.

And this only prooves what this topic is stating. PS3 could sell at $300+ because people were satisfied with it's predecessor(the ps2) and knew that the PS3 would have great software support for years to come, and that means people get their money's worth even if the price is a bit higher. With the bad aftertaste of the Wii in a lot of peoples mind and with the limited support for the system(Wii has been practically dead for almost a year now) even at $250 the Wii-U will still seem to expensive for most people.



TheJimbo1234 on 11 March 2013

The Wii is a problem, and this combined with poor marketing is killing sales, but you are wrong about some other points;
a) The casual gaming market are fickle and normally one-time-buyers.
b) It doesn't have "loads of cool features people like".



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rutea7 on 11 March 2013
AnthonyW86 said:
VGKing said:
BlkPaladin said:

The problem with the Wii U sales isn't something that simple. But its close. The main reason is the economy and the "free market". People will only pay as much as the market can bear, and right now with the conditions that are currently going on in the US and Europe buying a new system that has a over $300 price tag isn't something they can just go out and do. And with the problems that the sequester program cuts are going to cause their ability to buy luxury impulse items such as game systems is just going to diminish.

And when it comes down to whether they will buy the new Smart phone/iPad or a new game system, the Smart phone will probably win. Because luxury items are usually meant to show off, and it is easier to show off a phone you have with you and not a system. (Because that is just the way the mass market works.)

So it isn't just the Wii and Nintendo handling of the Wii's software, it is also the 360 and the PS3. Because most who are looking to get a game system who are not consider a system's "core" base, or those who will buy the new system no matter what, they will look at the new system and see an expensive system with a few expensive games, usually sitting next to the older cheaper system, with a ton of games ranging from a few dollars to $60, and some of those games make up a good percentage of the new system's library. Now what you you get go out $600 and only get a system, and at most 3 or four games. Or spend $400 and get a system and the same, or in their mind comparable, games. (Because in most non-core gamers mind there isn't that much of a difference in squeals, so they will prefer to pick up the Killzone compilation in favor for the lure of a new Killzone on the PS4)

So you can view what is currently happening to the Wii U as a portent was what the market is going to be like for the PS4 and the next Xbox. You will have your cores buying up the system during the first few months on the market and then the sales will go down to a trickle. Because your average customer will not be interested in getting the latest and greatest if there is a cheaper alternative on the shelves, with a bigger library and the "same games" out on the older machine.

Also the case of no backwards compatibility is going to play a difference in the first year of the machines lives, especially if some of the titles are going to be $70 like Patcher is contending. (Even though he isn't correct usually, but even a blind man can get a bulls eye if he throws enough darts.)

As for the core not all will adopt the new machines, Kotaku recently put up the results of a survey which concluded only 29% of those who consider themselves core, probally by how much they play and buy for the machines, will be first adopters. Which is the feeling I get when I go to different boards and see comments like "Very nice machine, I will get it once the price drops to $250." It seems $250-to-$300 is going to be the magical number this generation, because that is the price most are drop some are saying $350, and less are $400 and above. (I consider those are the core who will buy no matter what.)

So I would say after that there is two things Nintendo needs to do, one a price cut, we already see they are doing something like that with the ZombieU bundle, more 1st party games and a bigger library. Then they will go on the upswing, and probably will become a barrier for the new console to get over in 2014.

Source of the 29% - http://kotaku.com/5988269/?post=57954381

That's not true. The majority of PS3 sales were made at $300+ 
Of course the lower the price, the better but people will pay for a $300+ console. PS3 in particular is proof of that. Also with the next gen, there will be more free to play games than there ever were this gen. People will be more likely to pay for an expensive console is they feel they get their moneys worth.

And this only prooves what this topic is stating. PS3 could sell at $300+ because people were satisfied with it's predecessor(the ps2) and knew that the PS3 would have great software support for years to come, and that means people get their money's worth even if the price is a bit higher. With the bad aftertaste of the Wii in a lot of peoples mind and with the limited support for the system(Wii has been practically dead for almost a year now) even at $250 the Wii-U will still seem to expensive for most people.

True, besides, by the time the ps3 reached the 300 price point it already had an amazing game library.



kitler53 on 11 March 2013
BlowoverKing said:

"Why would I buy a Wii U when I have a Wii at home that no one plays?"


i've heard that one too.  i think wii damaged nintendo's reputation.  there are a lot of dissatisfied customers, like myself, that no longer trust nintendo.



twilight_link on 11 March 2013
Paquito said:

The problem with the Wii U = FALSE

Starting with that true, I can say to you that the problem with the third parties will be solved when Nintendo, again, go to the rescue of the console. And then: 10/10, 40/40,... you know, Nintendo games.

Are you to young to not see that the third companies abandoned Nintendo since PS is here? Playstation IS the problem, the problem of the videogame industry.

User was warned for this post - Kantor

The problem is not with Playstation, it's the audience that is cause of the problem, the demographics shift created at the dawn of PS2 era or better the influx of GTA crowd to videogaming is the cause of problem, of course it come to existence years earlier, in SNES vs MD days with MK controversy.

The problem is the most successful 3rd party games are incompatible with the very core of Nintendo videogaming philosophy and ethics, the most successful games on non Nintendo platforms are highly violent games.

3rd parties remember very well time when they played the very Nintendo game, it was massive failure for them,.

The other problem is platform control, the 3rd parties control platform holders,their (the platform holders) success or failure depends on their goodwill, they can  extort them anytime they wish. failure of sega after some 3rd party publishers stopped support the platform holder

For Nintendo there is no choice, 1st they (3rd parties) can't extort them, Nintendo's success or failure in no way depend on their good will and this is dangerous for 3rd party publishers.
2nd is if Nintendo actually at the dawn of 7th generation accepted their wish for more powerful hardware, then i guarantee you, Nintendo was finished, literary bankrupt.

Nintendo has no choice but continue their unique way



zuvuyeay on 11 March 2013

I like the work story

i'm surprised she didn't reply "because Nintendo and dem third partez"



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RazorDragon on 11 March 2013
kitler53 said:
BlowoverKing said:

"Why would I buy a Wii U when I have a Wii at home that no one plays?"


i've heard that one too.  i think wii damaged nintendo's reputation.  there are a lot of dissatisfied customers, like myself, that no longer trust nintendo.


Wii itself didn't damaged Nintendo's reputation, the lack of software support after arguably the best year for the Wii(2010) did. In 2011 we had, what, 6 worthwhile games coming over the entire year? 2012 was even worse. Wii is my favourite console this generation for delivering different games and experiences compared to the "HD" consoles which delivered(mostly) generic shooters and racing games, but the lack of software support damaged my respect for Nintendo. If Nintendo(and, consequently, third-parties) didn't stopped releasing Wii games for it to focus on the 3DS and Wii U, I believe that the company's situation would be much more comfortable now.