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BaldrSkies said:
swii26 said:
That is the prime example of why I LOVE Steam so much. A service that is linked to user account and not hardware.

PSN and LIVE should be far enough developed where users should be able to continue memberships to new consoles without having to re-purchase titles. Every generation brings new gamers anyway, why nickle and dime your loyal users?


The thing is right now PSN does link purchases to account and not hardware. The ability to play archives between PSP, PS3, and PSV is one of Sony's greatest accomplishments this generation, and a disappointment from the Nintendo online side.

Unfortunately the removal of Cell will make PS3 games not run without emulation, and emulation of Cell is just as difficult, if not moreso, as emulation of PS2's Emotion engine. Sony's biggest flaw could be said that they have a terrible habit of changing their processor architecture every generation, so games from the previous generation have to be recoded. Hopefully with x86 they will stick with it, although if Gaikai takes off there might not be such a need.

Your probably right with Gaikai, that may be Sonys answer. Hopefully everything works out when they finally release it. 



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Arcturus said:

This has been posted several times already.

"Why can't they transfer them to the new console?"

Because the PS4 will not contain the hardware required to run PS3 games.


Then explain why, when your copy of ___ is available on the PS4, you can't simply download it? It makes NO sense. If your purchases are saved in your PSN history (they are), then when they become available on the PS4 store, then why can't Sony let you download them for free?



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prayformojo said:
Arcturus said:

This has been posted several times already.

"Why can't they transfer them to the new console?"

Because the PS4 will not contain the hardware required to run PS3 games.


Then explain why, when your copy of ___ is available on the PS4, you can't simply download it? It makes NO sense. If your purchases are saved in your PSN history (they are), then when they become available on the PS4 store, then why can't Sony let you download them for free?


Because the PS3 is different than the PS4.  Just because the system is made by Sony doesn't mean it will magically play on any Sony system.  It's no different than trying to run a digital X-Box 360 game on the PS4.  Different console, different architecture= you can't play it.

IF Sony starts offering PS3 games on the PS4 to download, then and only then will you have a point.  But, right now Sony hasn't really detailed their plans for this.  Keep in mind though, that Sony is under no obligation to allow you to transfer PS3 games to your PS4.  Sony never promised that you'd be able to use PS3 games (digital or otherwise) on future consoles.  You'll still have your PS3 to play PS3 games.  Backwards compatibility would be a nice feature, but Sony is not obligated to offer it.



JWeinCom said:
prayformojo said:
Arcturus said:

This has been posted several times already.

"Why can't they transfer them to the new console?"

Because the PS4 will not contain the hardware required to run PS3 games.


Then explain why, when your copy of ___ is available on the PS4, you can't simply download it? It makes NO sense. If your purchases are saved in your PSN history (they are), then when they become available on the PS4 store, then why can't Sony let you download them for free?


Because the PS3 is different than the PS4.  Just because the system is made by Sony doesn't mean it will magically play on any Sony system.  It's no different than trying to run a digital X-Box 360 game on the PS4.  Different console, different architecture= you can't play it.

IF Sony starts offering PS3 games on the PS4 to download, then and only then will you have a point.  But, right now Sony hasn't really detailed their plans for this.  Keep in mind though, that Sony is under no obligation to allow you to transfer PS3 games to your PS4.  Sony never promised that you'd be able to use PS3 games (digital or otherwise) on future consoles.  You'll still have your PS3 to play PS3 games.  Backwards compatibility would be a nice feature, but Sony is not obligated to offer it.

We all KNOW that most, if not all, of the content available on the PSN store will be there on the PS4. That's what I'm saying. IF the same games we all bought on the PSN store for PS3 are there to download for PS4? Then what excuses will they have then? Because at that point, there IS no excuse...other than "hey, we don't want to". lol



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swii26 said:
That is the prime example of why I LOVE Steam so much. A service that is linked to user account and not hardware.

PSN and LIVE should be far enough developed where users should be able to continue memberships to new consoles without having to re-purchase titles. Every generation brings new gamers anyway, why nickle and dime your loyal users?

what you just said has absolutely nothing to do with PSN. PSN is account bound and any PSN game is playable on mutiple machines if the machine is capable of running it.



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prayformojo said:
JWeinCom said:
prayformojo said:
Arcturus said:

This has been posted several times already.

"Why can't they transfer them to the new console?"

Because the PS4 will not contain the hardware required to run PS3 games.


Then explain why, when your copy of ___ is available on the PS4, you can't simply download it? It makes NO sense. If your purchases are saved in your PSN history (they are), then when they become available on the PS4 store, then why can't Sony let you download them for free?


Because the PS3 is different than the PS4.  Just because the system is made by Sony doesn't mean it will magically play on any Sony system.  It's no different than trying to run a digital X-Box 360 game on the PS4.  Different console, different architecture= you can't play it.

IF Sony starts offering PS3 games on the PS4 to download, then and only then will you have a point.  But, right now Sony hasn't really detailed their plans for this.  Keep in mind though, that Sony is under no obligation to allow you to transfer PS3 games to your PS4.  Sony never promised that you'd be able to use PS3 games (digital or otherwise) on future consoles.  You'll still have your PS3 to play PS3 games.  Backwards compatibility would be a nice feature, but Sony is not obligated to offer it.

We all KNOW that most, if not all, of the content available on the PSN store will be there on the PS4. That's what I'm saying. IF the same games we all bought on the PSN store for PS3 are there to download for PS4? Then what excuses will they have then? Because at that point, there IS no excuse...other than "hey, we don't want to". lol

Did Sony say something about that, or is that just your assumption?



ils411 said:

I was thinking more of the little PSN titles actually like sound shapes. The vita can run it, though probalby down graded, the PS4 probably has enough under the hood to emulate the cell to run these little titles.


Size will not matter, but you bring up a good issue. Any game that has a Vita version should easily have a PS4 version. So I expect games like Sound Shapes, Retro City Rampage, and any other cross-buy/play title should easily be able to upscale and operate on PS4. I kind of hope you can use remote play to play Vita games on PS4 anyway, but this would be some relief to those who don't own a Vita to have access to those games. Just an idea though.



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prayformojo said:

We all KNOW that most, if not all, of the content available on the PSN store will be there on the PS4. That's what I'm saying. IF the same games we all bought on the PSN store for PS3 are there to download for PS4? Then what excuses will they have then? Because at that point, there IS no excuse...other than "hey, we don't want to". lol


Perhaps you are missing the reasonings many have already listed in this thread. The different architecture in the PS3 makes all PS3 games incompatible with PS4. This includes titles that are digtal only. In order to have them on the PS4 every individual publisher would need to be contacted for approval, maybe funding, the original developers would need to port it or hand over assets for another set of devs to port. This would cost millions, takes months away from devs, and might result in shoddy ports. The costs might be so high that they might attempt to charge a small fee to previous owners ala Nintendo Wii U style. It just isn't worth it. Now there might be some PSN games available thanks to non-PS3 version assets existing if they can get hold of 360, PC, or Vita code.

As for going on the PS Store on the PS4, it will probably not display PS3 store content. Vita's PS store is a good example. It only shows content that works on the system. While you can browse through your download list and see PS3 games, it will prompt you that it can not be downloaded on that system. If you want to play PS3 games, play them on a PS3. Lack of backwards compatibility for these titles is the trade off for switching to x86 architecture, which its benefits far outweigh that.



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brendude13 said:
BasilZero said:
brendude13 said:

What Gaikai can do hasn't been fully confirmed yet, it's possible PSN titles will be backwards compatible through Gaikai, but how it will be paid for is also unkown.

The future doesnt look as far as that idea is going - hopefully they dont go the "Vita" method when it comes to b/c although I can see it happening...at least with PS3 physical copies.

It's a shame that I can't play Crisis Core on the Vita, but they did the right thing in my opinion. Nobody wants noisy, expensive, large UMDs in their handhelds anymore.

The PS4's only option for backwards compatibility for the PS3 would be through Gaikai. I don't see how physical copies of PS3 games and Gaikai would work together.

Put your PS3 copy in and then stream it from Gaikai?