Not entirely sure, but isn't Nintendo like the biggest publisher around? Market isn't getting bigger, and the fight for the marketshare is though. Not to bring up conspiracy theories, but if Nintendo goes down, it would open a lot of space for other publishers. Besides, if they manage to grab a couple of IPs, bingo!

Who said anything about the Microsoft fans on this site wanting to see the downfall of Nintendo. These two lobbies on these forums have been natural allies throughout the coarse of the previous generation. As far as I can tell they are still allies. Microsoft even went so far as to suggest to gamers that buying a Wii and a 360 was better then buying just a PS3. Would they have said that if there was animosity, would people who owned both consoles have proudly proclaimed their status as Wii60 owners if this were the case.

Even if Nintendo cannot maintain a presence in the console market. I expect the majority of the brands players to come over to Microsoft's platform. I also expect that Nintendo itself will probably heavily support Microsoft's new platform. If Nintendo is forced out we mustn't forget that it would have had everything to do with all the pressure that Sony put on Nintendo. Microsoft after all isn't selling portables, and the company even allowed Rare to keep developing games for Nintendo portables until just a few years ago, and then Rare started to work heavily on games for Kinect.

Being honest about the situation isn't the same as hating, or actively trying to force someone out, or even making someone feel unwelcome. When a Microsoft fan sees a problem they usually try to find a way to solve that problem. That lobby isn't the one attacking Nintendo, or Nintendo fans, and it sure as hell isn't taking pleasure in the discomfort of either. I will grant you that many Sony fans are taunting Nintendo fans, and trying to cause pain, but Microsoft fans are just discussing the problem itself.

I think Nintendo did it right last gen. F--- the elitest core gamer crowd and connect with an audience that enjoys the type of games that Nintendo makes. The problem with 3DS/WiiU is they pandered to the 'core' market only to be shunned once again. They should have stayed focused on the market they won with DS/Wii.

IF Nintendo drops out of the hardware end - which I doubt they will do - they'll make a killing with Pokemon, Mario, Donkey Kong Country, Kirby, etc., etc. on iOS/Android devices. Any of their main franchises would be downloaded millions of time in the first week and they'd reach a far, far larger and far, far more accepting audience there than making games for PS4/720.

Eh who knows. I hear a lot of people claim interest in Nintendo's games. Unfortunately, out of all my friends I am the only one who intends to buy a Nintendo console to play them. Some of them have even said it would be a 'dream' to play Nintendo's games on their 360s (or later on the next Xbox). So based on that, what I inferred is not that they want Nintendo to fail, but instead they want better hardware from Nintendo. They disliked the Wii and that sentiment continues with the Wii U, especially when you compare those systems to the PS3/360 and PS4/Xbox Next respectively. I'm inclined to think if the Wii U had more horsepower they would purchase one. That tablet is a turn off as well, but that's a whole other discussion.

Then there's the achievement system. People have becomes used to that this gen, and its omission on the Wii U has disappointed a lot of people, and I'm inclined to think it is part of the reason why they're not considering the system. Also, it affects them in other ways. For the few people I know who have a Wii U, instead of buying games like AC3 or even the new NFS game on the Wii U (which is the superior version), they're getting those games on PS3/360 in part because of the achievements. Most intend to get NFS later when it receives a price drop. They're well aware the Wii U has the best version, but they don't seem interested.

I'm not sure if this is a general trend and I'm not suggesting others hold similar views since the people I spoke to only make up about 30 in number. That's much too small a sample size to make any sort of generalization, in my opinion. But as I said before I don't think it is a situation where people want Nintendo to fail, it's more displeasure and the perception Nintendo is behind the times with respect to hardware and other areas such as online and achievements, etc.

I couldn't care less about either of those issues. I'm still happy with PS3's graphics and if Wii U can do better then that's fine. It doesn't have to be PS4 levels, in my opinion. I couldn't care less about trophies because I find trophy hunting can be boring, and I play games for fun and for no other reason. So no achievement system on the Wii U is not a problem for me either.

It's interesting to me how any downturn Nintendo has is always blamed on someone else. Third-party publishers and developers, other gaming manufacturers, even the consumers themselves. It would seem that Nintendo has zero control over their own destiny.

Seriously, what is up with this whole victim's role mentality? Why can't it have to do with Nintendo making poor decisions, or other companies making the best decisions for their own businesses, which what they are supposed to do? Or how about this one, how about some consumers not buying Nintendo consoles simply because they like something else more?

Nintendo is a big boy. It doesn't need excuses. This isn't an environment where others are obligated to keep Nintendo going just because. It's not an environment where developers and publishers are willing to take less profits just to make Nintendo systems popular. If they think their resources are best spent elsewhere then that is their prerogative.

So, really, quit it. The Wii U is going to be fine. It's in a niche role because that is where Nintendo has placed it. You can no more blame Microsoft or Sony for trying to take market share than you can Apple or Galaxy. Everyone is trying to get ahead, including Nintendo.

Nintendo is following their own beat and that's perfectly fine. However, you can't hold it against anyone else if they prefer a different set of drums entirely.

It's up to Nintendo to perform well, just like the Wii-DS days in 2006-2010. They already showed how to push a console with only first party games and little third party support.

Gamecube had better hardware than PS2, almost full 3rd party support = worst selling Nintendo console. N64 had better graphics than PS1, and, in the end...

You see, it isn't about graphics. It isn't about third parties. Here, in the Internet, it's only about Nintendo itself. The majority of users on gaming forums people(Sony fans, mostly) don't like Nintendo and nothing will change that, it's really that simple.

Understandable after last gen, and considering most of those people fit in the core gamer demographic.

Doesnt change anything for me, ill be getting Nintendo hw and sw each gen, if Nintendo stops making hw, ill get none and stick to my old consoles and PC.

That's debatable.  Technical limitations aren't always considered a negative thing.  A lot of third parties like to have games on consoles where the budgets don't need to be very high. EA and Activision don't enjoy having to spend $30 million to make a game and then see some of them struggle to break even.  Casual games on Wii and DS sold in huge numbers, and all of the smart third parties raked in money which they could then use to fund expensive HD games on the 360/PS3.  It helps to offset high development costs for HD games.

Nintendo has definitely improved their relationships with many third parties since the start of the Wii U in early 2011.  Letting developers give them advice on what to do/ what not to do with the hardware, as well as giving select third parties access to very early dev kits that normally only first-parties would have. 

They're also spending a great deal of money on investing in third-party exclusives like LEGO City, Bayonetta, etc that definitely speaks to the fact that they're aware of their reputation and they're looking to change it.

It also seems appropriate to mention that Nintendo with their Wii U and 3DS eShop has become the most indie-friendly console platform to release games on.  Way easier than Microsoft and Steam, and even putting Sony's indie-friendliness to shame.