NintendoPie said: Well, they said they want the "Core" audience again and that's what they made the Wii U for. Good idea? No. But they seem to think it is. I chose the "maybe" option because that one best fit what I thought.

Nope, they said they wanted both audiences. They noticed they repelled the core audience away with the Wii so they tried to get both audiences with the Wii U audience and tried to expand the market to lure in tablet and cellphone casuals. It was a huge risk and it did not pay off, especially since their graphics will be far behind the competition when the PS4 and 720 (or Infinity) come out. Casuals aren't going to come in droves back to Nintendo and buy a nunchuck already just for a Wii fit U. They only cared about the Nunchuck/Board gimmick. Microsoft is going to get that crowd with the Kinect, because its essentially a step up to the Kinect, so they can relate to it and it will still be the centerpiece of the living room.

I voted maybe cuz it was written funny :p

IsawYoshi said:

 

What team would be making WiiU Sports? I'm pretty sure the Nintendo Land team is making it if its under development. The Mario Party team is busy with WiiU Party and, ofcource, the Wii Fit team is making Wii Fit U. So if the Nintendo Land team is making WiiU sports then they will be about 8 months into development. So there's no way it will land this year if they spend 18 months on a game like that and make sure it's a super high quality, polished product. Lets hope it wont take too long for it to arrive.

Wouldn't "nobody knows about it" kinda prove that it doesn't? I mean, there is no excuse that they don't know about it. It's been advertised and in news. It's been in stores for months and every store except walmart puts out weekly ads and target puts the consoles and games in every one

Incubi said: Well, I can't remeber the details, but even though they didn't say so, I doubt that they will just let that audience go without fight. I think we will see wii u sports at this e3. IsawYoshi said:   What team would be making WiiU Sports? I'm pretty sure the Nintendo Land team is making it if its under development. The Mario Party team is busy with WiiU Party and, ofcource, the Wii Fit team is making Wii Fit U. So if the Nintendo Land team is making WiiU sports then they will be about 8 months into development. So there's no way it will land this year if they spend 18 months on a game like that and make sure it's a super high quality, polished product. Lets hope it wont take too long for it to arrive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Entertainment_Analysis_and_Development

The team that made nintendo land (No. 2) made both wii sports and wii play. They came with around 2 weeks time in between. Now, those were pretty poor effort, but the team might have started the work before ninteno land was released, 2 games at a time is not new, and they might be helped by other developers. Also, I think nintendo would want to make investors feel a bit safer, so they might just push it to e3 this year for that.

I think this is the wrong question. "Casual" is almost as broad a term as "hardcore." It encompasses essentially every game that requires a minimal amount of time invested in a game.

Let's take a look at what big casual games the Wii had.

Sports Minigames: Wii Sports, Wii Sports Resort, Mario & Sonic, etc.
Arcade Minigames: Wii Play, Carnival Games, etc.
General Minigames: Mario Party 8/9, Wii Party, WarioWare, Cooking Mama, etc.
Fitness: Wii Fit/Plus, EA Sports Active, Zumba Fitness, etc.
Racing: Mario Kart Wii, etc.
2D Platforming: New Super Mario Bros Wii, etc.
Dance: Just Dance 1/2/3/4, etc.
Semicore: 3D Mario, LEGO games, etc.

Out of those categories
Sports and Arcade Minigames have yet to appear in force on the Wii U, save for a crap game from Ubisoft
General Minigames are still a big deal, if Nintendo Land sales are any gague.
Fitness Games have yet to appear, though Wii Fit U will soon change that
Sonic Racing is the 5th most popular game on the Wii U, indicating the genre is still big, especially for a relatively unpopular title across platforms
2D platforming is still big, as shown by NSMBU
Dance Games seem to have declined a bit, seeing as Just Dance 4 is only at #7. Still, these are decent numbers for a game on a young platform.
Semicore games may include Scribblenauts Unlimited, which has done well.



So, in short, casual game genres are either still doing well on the Wii U or simply haven't been introduced yet.

"But Salnax, what about the Angry Birds crowd? The Fruit Ninja crowd? The Bejewled crowd?"

None of those genres or styles of games were ever on the Wii, save for the occasional WiiWare game. They're native to the Flash gaming scene, which has in fact seen a major decline in recent years.

So, in short, Nintendo hasn't lost the casuals. They just haven't put much of an effort into contacting them yet.

Max King of the Wild said: Wouldn't "nobody knows about it" kinda prove that it doesn't? I mean, there is no excuse that they don't know about it. It's been advertised and in news. It's been in stores for months and every store except walmart puts out weekly ads and target puts the consoles and games in every one

Agreed.  Its not the lack of advertising (kisoks in pretty much every major electronic store, prime real estate in all gamestop stores, weekly ads etc) its the message that is already out for the wii u (pretty much over promise and under delivering).  First impressions will go a long way and that initial message hurt alot, going to be tough to gain back (at least in the US)

Max King of the Wild said: Wouldn't "nobody knows about it" kinda prove that it doesn't? I mean, there is no excuse that they don't know about it. It's been advertised and in news. It's been in stores for months and every store except walmart puts out weekly ads and target puts the consoles and games in every one

No. I know a lot of people that know what a playstation 3 is, but they don't care about gaming at all. Sadly, people are stupid. Also, those advertisements showed almost nothing of the console itself, only people holding the gamepad in different angles with dubstep music in the background. 

IsawYoshi said: Max King of the Wild said: Wouldn't "nobody knows about it" kinda prove that it doesn't? I mean, there is no excuse that they don't know about it. It's been advertised and in news. It's been in stores for months and every store except walmart puts out weekly ads and target puts the consoles and games in every one No. I know a lot of people that know what a playstation 3 is, but they don't care about gaming at all. Sadly, people are stupid. Also, those advertisements showed almost nothing of the console itself, only people holding the gamepad in different angles with dubstep music in the background.

You have to ignore a whole lot for your theory to even make sense. The reality of the situation is these people have probably been exposed to the Wii U already but it doesn't grab their attention so they don't dedicate it to memory.

I have a feeling that the wii u is gonna 'magically' transform from being a core console to a more casual focused console by the end of the year...doesn't mean it will be a success though but no reason it won't...Nintendo need to get over their identity crisis ffs.