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Forums - Gaming - Wii U graphics power finally revealed - "we can now finally rule out any next-gen pretensions for the Wii U"

ninjablade on 05 February 2013
Maris said:
ninjablade said:
basically what beyond3d was saying the whole time it's on par with current gen, while the system has it's it advantages it has it's disadvantages as well.

Wii U!

3 x OOE CPU at 1.2 ghz
~353 Gflops GPU
2GB DDR3 @ 12.8 GB/s 1GB reserved for the os.
32MB eDRAM )

360

3 x OOE CPU at 3.2 ghz
240 Gflops GPU
512mb DDR3 RAM @ 22.4GB/
32MB EDRAM

Xbox 360 has 10mb of eDRAM, not 32. Also, Nintendo consoles are never designed with standard hardware components, meaning you can't strictly compare the two with raw numbers. Not saying this means Wii U is secretly a beast, it most likely isn't, but there will be other factors that give Wii U its strength similar to how GCN compared with Xbox.


Thanks for the correction. i have to say, if nintendo wasn't trying to be so green they could have had a system probably 2x more powerful for the same price, i guess nintendo's plan was get current gen ports, for 2 years and first party support will get them through 2 more years. do we even know if it can even do current gen ports justice, the cpu seems to be the biggest bottle neck and then then memory bandwidth as well.



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KungKras on 05 February 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
KungKras said:
thismeintiel said:
RolStoppable said:
DanneSandin said:

So what you're saying is that Wii U will dominate 3rd party support? Weaker power and abysmal sales = 3rd party support?

No, I am telling you that the Wii U was never going to get much third party support, even if it's hardware were up to par to Sony's and Microsoft's eighth generation consoles and if it were the best selling eighth gen console on top of it.

What BS.  I guess that's why Nintendo got GREAT 3rd party support during the NES and SNES years?  Quit with the ridiculous conspiracy theories.  If Nintendo were willing to give 3rd party developers what they wanted, and sales for it were good enough, they would be getting plenty of support.

The 16-bit era was before Sony came in and changed the structure of the industry........ for the worse.

Sonys tech was Nintendos vision for the industry, Sony just pushed the tech further and it caught the attention of the third parties.

Third parties were reluctant to 3D at first and PS1 had a terrible launch line up. But the simple architecture and industrial strategy Sony used to drive down prices got them the confidence of the third parties, many of whom hated Nintendo since before (EA). When N64 didn't really catch on, Sony proved that Nintendo wasn't invincible, and third parties felt they never had to go back. Also, N64 had better tech than PS1, PS1 only had three advantages, and that was polygon count, storage, and easiness of programming, still a game like Ocarina of Time would have been impossible on the PS1.

Also, Nintendo rightfully envisions games as toys, not an industrialized entertainement medium like Sony.



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ethomaz on 05 February 2013

Flanneryaug said:

Actually, that is not true. The gamepad costs $85 to replace if it is lost or broken.

That's the price Nintendo sold to costumers... in fact the loss that Nintendo have on Wii U is because the pad and not the system.

Nintendo is subsidizing the game pad.



Naum on 05 February 2013

Who gives a sh*t anymore?
atleast the graphics doesnt hurt my eyes any more on anything above 40" screens



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S.T.A.G.E. on 05 February 2013
Flanneryaug said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Flanneryaug said:
ethomaz said:
riderz13371 said:
Why the hell does the Wii U cost so much then? Is it because of the game pad thing?

Yeap the game pad is suposed to cost over $150.

Actually, that is not true. The gamepad costs $85 to replace if it is lost or broken.


Today that is still an arm and a leg for a controller. This means Nintendo owners must treat their controllers like their baby.

I actually do lol. Mainly because of the cost, and that it would take a while to get a replacement. It does cost a lot, but the cost should go down over time.


Thanks for the info. When I get my Wii U I will need to take serious care of it now.



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osed125 on 05 February 2013
ethomaz said:

Flanneryaug said:

Actually, that is not true. The gamepad costs $85 to replace if it is lost or broken.

That's the price Nintendo sold to costumers... in fact the loss that Nintendo have on Wii U is because the pad and not the system.

Nintendo is subsidizing the game pad.

Not saying this isn't true, but do you have a source? Everything points out to the GamePad costing $100.



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ninjablade on 05 February 2013
Mr Khan said:
thismeintiel said:
RolStoppable said:
DanneSandin said:

So what you're saying is that Wii U will dominate 3rd party support? Weaker power and abysmal sales = 3rd party support?

No, I am telling you that the Wii U was never going to get much third party support, even if it's hardware were up to par to Sony's and Microsoft's eighth generation consoles and if it were the best selling eighth gen console on top of it.

What BS.  I guess that's why Nintendo got GREAT 3rd party support during the NES and SNES years?  Quit with the ridiculous conspiracy theories.  If Nintendo were willing to give 3rd party developers what they wanted, and sales for it were good enough, they would be getting plenty of support.

Because Nintendo was the only game in town in the NES era, and Sega was shit in Japan for the SNES era (the good Western 3rd party support all leaned in Genesis' favor).

There is no conspiracy. There's a bunch of individual haters, mostly localized in EA and their crony-studios, Zenimax and their subsidiaries, and Take Two and Rockstar. People who snub Nintendo consoles just because they can, and invent their own fiction to justify it to investors.

why do they support sony and not nintendo? i'm sure everybody wants to make money, unless they think it's not worth it.



Flanneryaug on 05 February 2013
ethomaz said:

Flanneryaug said:

Actually, that is not true. The gamepad costs $85 to replace if it is lost or broken.

That's the price Nintendo sold to costumers... in fact the loss that Nintendo have on Wii U is because the pad and not the system.

Nintendo is subsidizing the game pad.

I doubt that they are. There is no way that it could cost $150 to make the gamepad. Nintendo selling the Wii U for $300 doesn't mean that the Wii U and Gamepad are made with over $300 worth of parts. You have to take R&D, shipping, assembly, and cut to retail into account. The original 3DS was made with $103 worth of parts, but Nintendo was taking a loss on it at $170.



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ninjablade on 05 February 2013

for people saying power doesn't matter for third party support, why did metro last light decide to cancel there game after seeing wii u dev kit, i'm sure it's because they want to make an easy port cause that version will end up selling the worst, and with the nintendo specs, it won't be an easy port cause of the bottle necks.



ethomaz on 05 February 2013

osed125 said:

Not saying this isn't true, but do you have a source? Everything points out to the GamePad costing $100.

I have just source about the fact the game pad is not selling in US due the high manufacture cost.

Nintendo said they are to begin to sell it in US in early 2013 after some cut in costs... is the gamepad already being sell in US???