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Which region will it be primarily geared towards?

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platformmaster918 on 03 February 2013
Legend11 said:
I just don't see any way they could "win" the U.S. Does anyone here really believe that they'll spend more in advertising in the U.S. than Microsoft? That they will come out with a new IP that will be more popular than Halo? If they couldn't even do it near the end of the generation when Microsoft was basically saving the bulk of their games for next generation why would they be able to do it with the PS4?

Anyone that thinks the PS4 is going to take the the U.S. is just wishful thinking and hoping for some miracle game or that the strategy that hasn't worked for Sony in the past might suddenly start working now. If anything I think Sony is going to lose more ground in Europe to Microsoft than Microsoft would ever lose to Sony in the U.S.

The reason why is because unlike North America where both the Xbox and Playstation brands are very mature there are some European countries where the Xbox brand has almost no presence and as Microsoft establishes the brand more in those countries their sales in them will increase.

yes cause it took Sony soooo long to establish their brand *looks at 100 million PSone sales* oh my...




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Osc89 on 03 February 2013
UnitSmiley said:
No it's cool man. We all have different opinions and I would never state anything I said as absolute fact lol. I don't have anything against people who don't play as much as myself or others or anything. Some people are busy n stuff and that's totally fine. The problem I have is with the people who think "Oh, X is popular so therefore it must be the best and Y must suck".

Though I do disagree about the "coolness" thing being the same as it was last gen. I say it's much more prevalent this gen. Especially because online gaming took off this gen. It's a huge craze. It's one thing for someone to hear about how someone spent their night playing a certain game, and a completely different thing to hear about how someone spent their night playing a game with a bunch of people that you know. It creates this kind of social need to experience the same things so you don't feel left out.

I'm not saying I hate online gaming or that Playstation doesn't also use online features lol, just that I personally beleive that a great deal of the 360 fanbase is only interested in the console/gaming because of the "trendy" factor and most of them could honestly care less what Sony or Nintendo offer. As long as the Xbox brand is strong, they will transfer to the next Microsoft console without a second thought.


Surely the "trendy" factor is the easiest factor to lose? The Wii had it with the casuals last gen, and that hasn't translated at all to the Wii U. 360 had it last gen with core multiplayer gamers, but if they really do have a built-in Kinect 2.0 can they keep that? I'm not sure Kinect would be seen as trendy by the people you say will "transfer to the next Microsoft console without a second thought".



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platformmaster918 on 03 February 2013
Osc89 said:
UnitSmiley said:
No it's cool man. We all have different opinions and I would never state anything I said as absolute fact lol. I don't have anything against people who don't play as much as myself or others or anything. Some people are busy n stuff and that's totally fine. The problem I have is with the people who think "Oh, X is popular so therefore it must be the best and Y must suck".

Though I do disagree about the "coolness" thing being the same as it was last gen. I say it's much more prevalent this gen. Especially because online gaming took off this gen. It's a huge craze. It's one thing for someone to hear about how someone spent their night playing a certain game, and a completely different thing to hear about how someone spent their night playing a game with a bunch of people that you know. It creates this kind of social need to experience the same things so you don't feel left out.

I'm not saying I hate online gaming or that Playstation doesn't also use online features lol, just that I personally beleive that a great deal of the 360 fanbase is only interested in the console/gaming because of the "trendy" factor and most of them could honestly care less what Sony or Nintendo offer. As long as the Xbox brand is strong, they will transfer to the next Microsoft console without a second thought.


Surely the "trendy" factor is the easiest factor to lose? The Wii had it with the casuals last gen, and that hasn't translated at all to the Wii U. 360 had it last gen with core multiplayer gamers, but if they really do have a built-in Kinect 2.0 can they keep that? I'm not sure Kinect would be seen as trendy by the people you say will "transfer to the next Microsoft console without a second thought".

yes americans are trendy (and I'm one who goes against this trend).  They went from PS2 to Wii to 360 very rapidly (a couple years).  People who act like Xbox is too big or too entrenched as most popular need to look at PS2 sales.




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Legend11 on 03 February 2013
platformmaster918 said:
Legend11 said:
I just don't see any way they could "win" the U.S. Does anyone here really believe that they'll spend more in advertising in the U.S. than Microsoft? That they will come out with a new IP that will be more popular than Halo? If they couldn't even do it near the end of the generation when Microsoft was basically saving the bulk of their games for next generation why would they be able to do it with the PS4?

Anyone that thinks the PS4 is going to take the the U.S. is just wishful thinking and hoping for some miracle game or that the strategy that hasn't worked for Sony in the past might suddenly start working now. If anything I think Sony is going to lose more ground in Europe to Microsoft than Microsoft would ever lose to Sony in the U.S.

The reason why is because unlike North America where both the Xbox and Playstation brands are very mature there are some European countries where the Xbox brand has almost no presence and as Microsoft establishes the brand more in those countries their sales in them will increase.

yes cause it took Sony soooo long to establish their brand *looks at 100 million PSone sales* oh my...

Sony sold consumer electronics for decades before the PS1 came out so the situation was completely different.



curl-6 on 03 February 2013
platformmaster918 said:
curl-6 said:
UnitSmiley said:
NightDragon83 said:
UnitSmiley said:
Sony will have to work extremely hard to win America. i actually don't see it happening. I think a lot of people will stick with the 360 no matter what Sony brings to the party next gen. Unfortunately everything in the US is a popularity contest and Microsoft is the absolute best at making everyone believe they are the coolest.

As long as the Nextbox establishes itself as being the "cool" or "hip" console. Nothing Sony can offer will tear those people away.

I live in the US and I would absolutely love to see a Sony dominance here, I just don't see that happening. I look around and all I see are people who are loyal to the 360 simply because it's popular. Most of them stick to the same old arguments from early this gen (PS3 has no games). Most people I talk to still believe that to be true. Obviously it isn't but if they havn't figured that out by now they probably aren't all that into videogames. they just play a few, the big blockbusters that all their friends have.

I believe the "gamers" here have no interest in anything that isn't trendy atm. I'm fairly certain the fanbase that Microsoft has managed to amass this gen will easily transition to the Nextbox regardless of anything else.

If you live in the US, haven't you've already seen plenty of Sony's dominance over the past 2 console generations?  Sony has already had their time in the sun as the "cool" and "hip" videogame company in NA during the PS1+2 eras, just as SEGA did back in the 16-bit era.  Now it's M$'s time in the sun.

It is pretty funny though watching Sony fans lament the fact that the very things that worked in Sony's favor during the PS1+2 days like the "cool and hip" factor, trendy marketing (remember the Crash Bandicoot anti-Nintendo ads?), being the console of choice for "mature" gamers, huge 3rd party library etc, are now working against them and in favor of M$.

Now all of a sudden they pretend like none of those things matter, and all you hear Sony fans talk about is how they have the best 1st party exclusives and how Sony deserves to be the defacto leader of the videogame industry because they "care" so much about it since it's now the primary focus of the company.  Hmmm, now where have I heard all that before?  Oh right... sounds just like everything Nintendo fans were saying back during the N64/GC days, doesn't it?

No not at all because the "trendy" factor back then was so insigficant compared to the way it is now. The PS1/PS2 did well because they were great. The last two gens the most popular consoles were the ones that offered the most to gamers. The success Microsoft had this gen with the 360 is (IN MY OPINION) mostly due to the trendy/cool/hip factor NOT because they offered the most to gamers, THAT is the difference.

This gen has easily brought more nongamers/casuals into the market than previous gens and Microsoft gathered a ton of those people due to marketing and establishing itself as the "coolest" console.

So, just to be clear:

- When Sony wins it's because they deserve it, but when others win they don't.

- Casual gamers are second class citizens and don't deserve a say in which console is the most successful.

Sounds a bit elitist to me.

just look at which franchises sold the most during PS2 and what people were talking about.  It was GTA, DMC, Ratchet, Jak, Sly, Madden, Gran Turismo, Final Fantasy, God of War.  The only casual one of those would be Madden.  Now look at Xbox and everyone's playing Kinect, COD, 2k basketball, Halo, Gears, Forza, and Madden.  3 of those could be considered hardcore and they are they are all made by MS to be fair, but Sony never charged for online or had to advertise the crap out of things (when they tried it was just weird commercials).  They were awesome because their system offered more exclusives and more value (multimedia and free online) than xbox ever has.

Guitar Hero did very well on PS2... :P The PS2 had a MUCH bigger "casual"userbase than people give it credit for.

You're right, gaming has clearly become more casual this generation, but this isn't such a terrible thing in my opinion; "core" games haven't disappeared, Demon's Souls and God of War 3 didn't cease to exist because Kinect and Wii Sports took off. There's enough room for everyone. I'm not going to argue 360 vs PS3, but I think the opinion of some that the 360 offers more is a legitimate one.



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Turkish on 03 February 2013
Legend11 said:

I just don't see any way they could "win" the U.S. Does anyone here really believe that they'll spend more in advertising in the U.S. than Microsoft? That they will come out with a new IP that will be more popular than Halo? If they couldn't even do it near the end of this generation when Microsoft was basically saving the bulk of their games for next generation why would they be able to do it with the PS4?

Anyone that thinks the PS4 is going to take the the U.S. is just wishful thinking and hoping for some miracle game or that the strategy that hasn't worked for Sony in the past might suddenly start working now. If anything I think Sony is going to lose more ground in Europe to Microsoft than Microsoft would ever lose to Sony in the U.S.

The reason why is because unlike North America where both the Xbox and Playstation brands are very mature there are some European countries where the Xbox brand has almost no presence and as Microsoft establishes the brand more in those countries their sales in them will increase.

You gots tha be kiddin me right? Halo 4 just came out, another Gears comes out in the next few weeks. So how exactly were they saving their games for next gen?

The reason NA gamers went mostly with 360 was because it was cheaper than the PS3, and then it got Kinect as a 2nd boost. If PS4 and 720 launch at the same price around the same time, the race between them in NA is gonna be much more close. Kinect 2 won't help the 720 as much as Kinect 1 did. It needs to be groundbreaking and not just better tracking for it to have any effect.

Europe is Sony territory, eventhough PS3 came out 1.5 years later costing €200 more than 360 it managed to outsell it.



007BondAgent on 03 February 2013
Legend11 said:

I just don't see any way they could "win" the U.S. Does anyone here really believe that they'll spend more in advertising in the U.S. than Microsoft? That they will come out with a new IP that will be more popular than Halo? If they couldn't even do it near the end of this generation when Microsoft was basically saving the bulk of their games for next generation why would they be able to do it with the PS4?

Anyone that thinks the PS4 is going to take the the U.S. is just wishful thinking and hoping for some miracle game or that the strategy that hasn't worked for Sony in the past might suddenly start working now. If anything I think Sony is going to lose more ground in Europe to Microsoft than Microsoft would ever lose to Sony in the U.S.

The reason why is because unlike North America where both the Xbox and Playstation brands are very mature there are some European countries where the Xbox brand has almost no presence and as Microsoft establishes the brand more in those countries their sales in them will increase.


so you find it hard believing that sony has chance in north america, yet you think microsoft can take over europe. yep.



RenCutypoison on 03 February 2013

I think ps4 might have a chance.

Almost every big series from the 360 came from the original xbox. But they can't continue long like this (Let's be honest, an Halo 5 would suck).

What's great with new consoles are new ips, because people tend to take the change better on new consoles. And sony has a good experience for having new surprisingly strong ip in the first second years of launch.

I mean, let's look at naughty dog for example : 1)Crash 2)Jak 3)Ucharted

Will people will buy the new xbox just for the latest FPS that will probably look better on ps4 ?

The only thing that might attract people on the next box would be cool indie success, and even so that won't make a console, of course.



Deyon on 03 February 2013

I really don't think Sony can take back North America. They would go bankrupt if they tried.



bananaking21 on 03 February 2013
FinalEvangelion said:
What appeals to America gamingwise = everything I hate about gaming.

I really hope they don't try to hard. I really don't mind the 720 beating the PS4 if the PS4 continued to have non FPS single player games.

they will. sony's most successful games are not FPS games. uncharted, gran turismo, god of war and littlebigplanet. pretty diverse if you ask me