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U guys keep saying it would be giving up market share to microsoft but thats not the point. These next 3 years would be to squeeze out as much profit as possible would be able to market it better to stay relevent against wii u/nextbox. Releasing in 2016 would give it a 1-2 year lead on the following gen. |
You obviously do not understand Microsofts intentions with Sonys marketshare. Sony has to look after it like a dog because if not Microsoft will try to take them out and then monopolize the industry while dumbing everything down to specific to multimedia hubs over games. Multimedia is the very reason Microsoft joined the gaming industry aside from Sonys visible stance as a threat to PC gaming in the late 90's.
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Still pushing that ridiculous argument? The original Xbox and 360 were launched as gaming machines. Sony is the one that has been pushing their hardware as multimedia boxes.
I've grown an affinity towards MS this gen, but I want Sony to launch a new console this year. More competetition is good for everyone. Sony didn't realize they had competition in 2006 and they only got better to compete with MS.
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Sony and Microsoft BOTH have multimedia machines, but the difference between Sony and Microsoft is that they dont force multimedia down your throat, its optional, secondary to the games. The term Xbox is no longer exclusive to consoles but is expanding to media devices Microsoft has a hand in.
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You gotta understand multimedia services is actually profitable for MS since their hardware requires Live Gold to use those services. That encourages MS to push multimedia features and acquire more. For Sony, there clearly isn't much incentive to people using multimedia services so they aren't pushed as much.
It doesn't matter if the Xbox name is used outside of consoles or gaming. When they stop putting out quality games than your argument might have some validity. Sony didn't put out any noteworthy titles in 2012, but I'm not gonna say they aren't focused on games.
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Free is more incentive than a paid service. Sony's marketplace is growing and the look is changing with it and so are the deals. Everything will come full circle with the PS4, but they are not pushing an end all be all multimedia service like Apple which Microsoft is desperate to emulate. Basically they are trying to kill both Apple and Sony with one stone (multimedia).
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Free is great. But the 360's non-gaming offerings are superior. Live Gold makes money on non-gaming content... PSN not so much. Once again, that's why MS pushes their console for games AND multimedia.
You always bring up crap that isn't even relevant to our discussion.
Yeah the PSN market place is getting better. Thank MS for that. They wouldn't have to work as hard if they were just competing with NIntendo.
MS is pushing "an end all be all multimedia machine?" Now according to you games aren't a priority at all. Does that mean they're gonna close all their studios?
The only thing Sony has been killing is themselves. All the money Sony lost and much of the success Xbox gained is primarily due to bad decisions made by Sony.
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Sony has been killing themselves and no one is denying that. They refuse to make competitive prices to competitors and revamp their designs completely to match customer satisfaction. They hold onto a level of quality that was at its peak in the 90's but since the rise of Apple times have changed. I have no loyalty to these companies even though I PREFER one to the other, Microsofts biggest achillies heel in the gaming industry is that they are primarily a mainstream entity which means less proper games as a primary seller but rather a few strong titles and a ton of commercial games and that comes second to their multimedia endeavors.
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PS1 and PS2 were competitively priced at $299. They just went bat shit crazy on PS3.
I'm confused by your MS statements.
1. What is a, "proper game." How are they different from, "strong titles" and "commercial games." In my head it sounds like you're saying MS is just pushing games people actually buy.
2. I still don't understand how multimedia is the primary goal for MS, yet their games are at par or arguably better than Sony's. I've heard stories about MS spending a ton of money to push new games or a gaming peripheral to help move hardware. But I never heard them spending a mega budget to advertise multimedia features. This is where your logic falls apart.
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1.I was referring to the shovelware that are Kinect titles as the games people "want", but truthfully those games sales are attatched to the KInect. Outside of Kinect Sports and Kinect Adventures its all a sham and Microsoft will keep putting money into that sham. I love Dance Central and the Nike fitness game which we use from time to time at my dorm (since P90X and Insanity came out no ones cared about the Nike game though), but thats about all we use it for and as with many casual experiences the amazement dissolves quickly.
2. Microsofts games are nowhere on par with Sony. Microsoft finally got to Sonys level productionwise with Halo and theres Forza and that it. Outside of that they are not on Sonys level, save for those two games in first party that I mentioned. The games that bolster Microsofts ranks are mostly second and third party exclusives (including DLC in Microsofts case). Alan Wake can easily be consumed on PC. I mean, you may like their games better but Sonys first party has more highly rated games than Microsoft (let alone IP's). Lets see if Microsoft can turn that around with Black Tusk next gen.
"We've been following the core media apps—Music and Video—since the Windows 8 Consumer Preview. That development hinted Microsoft wanted to become a viable competitor to Apple and Amazon in the multimedia content realm. We found the first glimpse compelling, a signal that perhaps there was a true stake for Redmond to claim.
Now with Windows 8 live, the Preview groundwork has been built upon. As you'll see here, things have changed, but not always as expected. The evolution of Music and Video begins up front, where the apps have shed their Zune branding. Instead, Microsoft chose to reuse the Xbox brand, as the company moves to expand the scope of the Xbox name from gaming to all media and entertainment."
arstechnica.com/features/2012/10/a-work-in-progress-the-windows-8-multimedia-experience/
Not saying its a bad thing because I enjoy listening to music (dont watch the movies on my Xbox though). Microsoft is pushing multimedia for the general public harder than they are with games. If this is too hard for you to see look at the bread crumb trail and date the Xbox Live to now and see whats grown for games and what has grown for multimedia. This coming gen since there wont be as many exclusive third party titles they will be left to their own devices. Lets see how they hold up seeing how Sony ended things with them this gen. Theres no way Xbox media will beat Itunes and Amazon at the same time, but I am not saying a few people wont join the band wagon because they will.
You have been arguing and defending Microsoft for something the media has been reporting on since they changed the Zune name to Xbox last year outside of the Xbox platform. Doesn't sound far fetched when I say the Xbox will get worse later on and will be no different than Microsofts OS on PC with a couple games and a cable/satellite provider to boot, now does it?
