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aikohualda on 12 January 2013
Max King of the Wild said:
aikohualda said:
HesAPooka said:

 

A school board in Ohio has decided that the best way to prevent school shootings is to arm their Janitors, but don't worry because the cutodians will have a 2 day training session before being provided with a fire arm and ask to risk their lives on behalf of everyone else. 

I have to ask does this seem like a good response to the recent shootings? Would you feel safer knowing your Janitor is packing heat? Would you prefer armed police officers walking through the hall ways at your school? What happens if the Janitor loses his head and decides to use his training to hurt kids instead? Basically is someone did want to shoot up a school all they would have to do now is sign up to be a janitor at a school at that school district and the school would provide him with the gun he could do it with. 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/11/armed-janitors-approved-school-shootings_n_2458167.html

i guess they cant hire illegal workers as a janitor now... kidding

wait 2 days???

wtf!?

in 2 days, people will be so accurate on shooting that kids receiving a stray bullet from a 2 day trained guy is next to impossible.... 

I doubt the 2 days would have any substantial amount of target practice. It would probablly be more educational of how to evaluate the situation and the proper way to react to the situation. When to fire and not fire. Get to know the hand guns features such as ammunition, trigger, saftey, ect ect... Probably a short time in the range

exactly...

i saw a news that there are 9 casualties with stray bullets from policemen...and as far as i can remember they are only shooting one guy... and these people are highly trained. imagine a 2 day trained janitor around kids



 

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sethnintendo on 12 January 2013
Max King of the Wild said:
burninmylight said:
Max King of the Wild said:
burninmylight said:
Max King of the Wild said:
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It also seems like you're assuming janitors can suddenly perform at the level of trained officers when bullets suddenly start flying and things get real. I'd venture to guess that simply putting a gun into a custodial worker's possession doesn't suddenly teach that person how to not panic, identify threats, manage a crowd or subdue a threat while minimizing casualties. I'm sure these people would receive some training to that effect, nowhere near the level you'd expect of a police officer. Otherwise, they'd just be police officers.


Not at all, that's why I'm against the janitors carrying but at the same time the shooter needs to confront an armed personel too.

Or some one as crazy as they are.  If only the insane confront the insane.  One thing about death is that it is easy to catch people off guard.  If you have someone that isn't afraid of death confronting some one else that also isn't afraid of death then the one true winner will live.   People that want to die should be forced into the Thunderdome!  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_Max_Beyond_Thunderdome



007BondAgent on 12 January 2013

bet nobody is going to annoy the janitor now



killerzX on 12 January 2013
Kasz216 said:
I believe concealed carry gun owners actually commit less gun crime then the general population. (With or without legal firearms).

So yeah. Probably couldn't hurt.

its virtually immeasurable. crimes commited by conceal carry holders is miniscule.

on topic. why limit it to just the janitors. why not allow the whole faculty to excercise their constitutional rights? 

at least its a start



sethnintendo on 12 January 2013
killerzX said:
Kasz216 said:
I believe concealed carry gun owners actually commit less gun crime then the general population. (With or without legal firearms).

So yeah. Probably couldn't hurt.

its virtually immeasurable. crimes commited by conceal carry holders is miniscule.

on topic. why limit it to just the janitors. why not allow the whole faculty to excercise their constitutional rights? 

at least its a start

You don't say??  Wouldn't this be common knowledge?  Who the fuck would commit a gun crime while being registered?  



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killerzX on 12 January 2013
sethnintendo said:
killerzX said:
Kasz216 said:
I believe concealed carry gun owners actually commit less gun crime then the general population. (With or without legal firearms).

So yeah. Probably couldn't hurt.

its virtually immeasurable. crimes commited by conceal carry holders is miniscule.

on topic. why limit it to just the janitors. why not allow the whole faculty to excercise their constitutional rights? 

at least its a start

You don't say??  Wouldn't this be common knowledge?  Who the fuck would commit a gun crime while being registered?  

exactly.

those who carry legally dont commit crimes. (meaning legally allowed to possess and carry a weapon)



HappySqurriel on 13 January 2013
Max King of the Wild said:
and for good measure to provide what you asked for

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/health/2007-01-07-jacinto-choice_x.htm

A medical doctor coming to US to become a nurse. Why? Because MD's don't make as much in the Philippines as nurses do in the US

"He estimates that in the last five years, 9,000 Filipino doctors — out of about 56,000 — have retrained as nurses, and 5,000 have since gone abroad."

However, as I look online at nurses salary I'm surprised that they are reporting them at over 50k starting. Which I'm surprised to see from a 2 year degree with lots of people in nursing. I would expect it to be lower. No matter though considering some of those people are also just technicians which require a certificate and make as much as janitors

That isn't surprising, but a doctor becoming a nurse is still not the same as a PHD becoming a janitor ...

I know there is a problem in Canada because of how our immigration system works that a lot of highly educated people come to the country and then their degrees are not recognized, but this isn't the major source of underemployment.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/04/53-of-recent-college-grads-are-jobless-or-underemployed-how/256237/

About 1.5 million, or 53.6 percent, of bachelor's degree-holders under the age of 25 last year were jobless or underemployed, the highest share in at least 11 years. In 2000, the share was at a low of 41 percent, before the dot-com bust erased job gains for college graduates in the telecommunications and IT fields.

Out of the 1.5 million who languished in the job market, about half were underemployed, an increase from the previous year.

While there are (obviously) people in these statistics who graduated in the last 6 months, the majority of these new graduates would (probably) come from graduating classes in 2010 and 2009. For recent graduates who didn't get a "real" job in their first year, it becomes increasingly difficult to get that entry level job as time goes on and they're (effectively) trapped in their low level job.



sethnintendo on 13 January 2013

Nurses are only 2 year degrees? I don't believe.



Max King of the Wild on 13 January 2013
sethnintendo said:
Nurses are only 2 year degrees? I don't believe.



http://jjc.edu/academics/divisions/nursing-allied-health/nursing/Pages/registered-nurse-requirements.aspx

72 credit hours. So a little longer than 2 years. Maybe 2.5. 68 credits tend t be half a 4 year degree



Max King of the Wild on 13 January 2013
HappySqurriel said:

That isn't surprising, but a doctor becoming a nurse is still not the same as a PHD becoming a janitor ...

I know there is a problem in Canada because of how our immigration system works that a lot of highly educated people come to the country and then their degrees are not recognized, but this isn't the major source of underemployment.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/04/53-of-recent-college-grads-are-jobless-or-underemployed-how/256237/

About 1.5 million, or 53.6 percent, of bachelor's degree-holders under the age of 25 last year were jobless or underemployed, the highest share in at least 11 years. In 2000, the share was at a low of 41 percent, before the dot-com bust erased job gains for college graduates in the telecommunications and IT fields.

Out of the 1.5 million who languished in the job market, about half were underemployed, an increase from the previous year.

While there are (obviously) people in these statistics who graduated in the last 6 months, the majority of these new graduates would (probably) come from graduating classes in 2010 and 2009. For recent graduates who didn't get a "real" job in their first year, it becomes increasingly difficult to get that entry level job as time goes on and they're (effectively) trapped in their low level job.



I would say a MD becoming a nurse is more surprising considering MD's will always be in demand while there are tons of bullshit majors to get a phd in such as philosopohy or history (Im a philosophy minor I'm allowed to hate). Anyway like I said some MDs are also taking jobs as technicians such as ekg's or phlebotomy which only require a certificate (which is like 8 credits) and pay nearly as much as janitors (it's like 18 dollars an hour).

And besides, this conversation started from me saying janitors are low educated low level peons. Someone provided a source say all but 5% are low educated so I stand by my statement