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When will PS3 overtake 360 in total sales?

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Max King of the Wild on 13 December 2012

Next gen will loose total console sales compared to this gen. Main reason is no one capturing the same market Wii did. 3rd party exclusives will be unheard of which will reduce the reason to own multiple consoles so more people will own one console compared to this gen.

Wii U will be the largest loser and 360 will have a hard time being relevant in Japan and have immediate competetion upon it's launch. I see MS being 3rd again.



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MARCUSDJACKSON on 13 December 2012
NeoRatt said:
With the low sales levels for consoles in general this year, even if the PS3 dominates through next year it will probably only outsell the 360 by 10-30k per week typically. Console sales will not suddenly skyrocket next year.

I see next year will be much the same as 2012... I expect the PS3 will gain ground but at the slow rate it gains, 360 will stay ahead. Then, MS will release a new console at the end of 2013 which will lower sales of 360 but, not enough to let PS3 by... In 2014 PS3 will take over assuming the PS4 is not released in 2013.

It is like winning the bonus leg after the end of the race. 1st place trophy awarded, 2nd place trophy awarded... But by the end of the bonus leg of the race, 3rd won 2nd overall... There was no trophy awarded, just a token mention that they moved up a position after no one cared.

ha ha ha token. that's not the reallity by any means. someones always going to care otherwise we wouldn't have threads about past gen., and mentions of the best console, or threads about them.

it's not as simple as Wii wins the 7th gen. even if (hypothetical) PS3 outsales it in the end. hell right now, people are debating wether 3ds has out sold PS2 because we stopped tracking it about 2 yr.'s ago.

don't think just because the gen end, the conversation ends. it's not that cut and dry.



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ironmanDX on 13 December 2012
platformmaster918 said:
ironmanDX said:
Lol @ the Sony fanboys talking about the head start for the xbox 3. Even if we do get it, we don't need it this time. Xbox 1 was an introduction into the gaming world, the 360 was more about growth and gaining market share, which is why the year head start was a necessity. The 360 outsold the successor of the greatest selling home console in history ( to be fair, at least for the moment and the gen they were part of). We have the momentum, market share and brand awareness. Not to mention the juggernaut that is Microsoft behind the wheel. I'm not saying were going to win, that would be foolish, but as far as positioning, Microsoft are probably in the best position out of the 2 companies (Ninty has already started the next gen) to go into the next/this new generation.


I hate this "it was their first system" excuse.  Nintendo and Sony both led the market with their first system.  Hell Sony sold 100 million when many thought the ceiling for gaming was the NES's 60 million and they did it going against two established juggernauts in SEGA and Nintendo.  Xbox got its ass beat fair and square.  Also I don't think its reasonable to expect to maintain 70+% market share like Sony had with PS2.  That being said without 4 major advantages being handed to them this gen I don't think MS will be as strong the next go around.

Xbox got its ass beat fair and square. 

When did I say otherwise? I didn't.

 

Also I don't think its reasonable to expect to maintain 70+% market share like Sony had with PS2.

Why? Because times are different? Exactly. Comparing the first xbox launch compartive to Nintendo or Sony? You can't.



MARCUSDJACKSON on 13 December 2012
Max King of the Wild said:

Next gen will loose total console sales compared to this gen. Main reason is no one capturing the same market Wii did. 3rd party exclusives will be unheard of which will reduce the reason to own multiple consoles so more people will own one console compared to this gen.

Wii U will be the largest loser and 360 will have a hard time being relevant in Japan and have immediate competetion upon it's launch. I see MS being 3rd again.

spot on

 

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ironmanDX said:
Lol @ the Sony fanboys talking about the head start for the xbox 3. Even if we do get it, we don't need it this time. Xbox 1 was an introduction into the gaming world, the 360 was more about growth and gaining market share, which is why the year head start was a necessity. The 360 outsold the successor of the greatest selling home console in history ( to be fair, at least for the moment and the gen they were part of). We have the momentum, market share and brand awareness. Not to mention the juggernaut that is Microsoft behind the wheel. I'm not saying were going to win, that would be foolish, but as far as positioning, Microsoft are probably in the best position out of the 2 companies (Ninty has already started the next gen) to go into the next/this new generation.


I hate this "it was their first system" excuse.  Nintendo and Sony both led the market with their first system.  Hell Sony sold 100 million when many thought the ceiling for gaming was the NES's 60 million and they did it going against two established juggernauts in SEGA and Nintendo.  Xbox got its ass beat fair and square.  Also I don't think its reasonable to expect to maintain 70+% market share like Sony had with PS2.  That being said without 4 major advantages being handed to them this gen I don't think MS will be as strong the next go around

 

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Aura7541 on 14 December 2012
platformmaster918 said:
ironmanDX said:
Lol @ the Sony fanboys talking about the head start for the xbox 3. Even if we do get it, we don't need it this time. Xbox 1 was an introduction into the gaming world, the 360 was more about growth and gaining market share, which is why the year head start was a necessity. The 360 outsold the successor of the greatest selling home console in history ( to be fair, at least for the moment and the gen they were part of). We have the momentum, market share and brand awareness. Not to mention the juggernaut that is Microsoft behind the wheel. I'm not saying were going to win, that would be foolish, but as far as positioning, Microsoft are probably in the best position out of the 2 companies (Ninty has already started the next gen) to go into the next/this new generation.


I hate this "it was their first system" excuse.  Nintendo and Sony both led the market with their first system.  Hell Sony sold 100 million when many thought the ceiling for gaming was the NES's 60 million and they did it going against two established juggernauts in SEGA and Nintendo.  Xbox got its ass beat fair and square.  Also I don't think its reasonable to expect to maintain 70+% market share like Sony had with PS2.  That being said without 4 major advantages being handed to them this gen I don't think MS will be as strong the next go around.

I agree. Sony knows for sure that it cannot afford to procrastinate like last time. I'm curious to see how MS and Sony fare on more "even ground," so to speak



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exclusive_console on 15 December 2012
Lafiel said:
platformmaster918 said:

So I guess you're pretty sure Xbox 3 will beat PS4 then?  Considering they had every conceivable advantage this gen (a year head start +a couple months in Europe, no system sellers for PS3 in first 2 years, and most of all being 2/3 the price) and they're still going to end up 3rd I wouldn't be so confident.

personally I see MS in a very very good spot - they are likely to take US+UK markets (which probably are the most profitable markets) this gen and carry that advantage into next gen as the majority of the users seem convinced of MS' approach

as by far most western devs are located in these countries and naturally will feel more inclined to work on the neXtbox, maybe using it as their go to main platform or even trying to produce exclusives (a big part of that decision is up to publishers though)

additionally MS established their live subscription service very well and can use it to further subsidize their console, meaning they might put out the stronger console (than Sony) for the same price or a similar speced mashine for a lower price as they are sure to get a lot of revenue/profits from live subscriptions

further enhanced is that advantage by the strong yen and relatively weak dollar/euro, which means Sony can't afford to invest that much into hardware if they want to sell their machine for a decent price in dollar/euro zones

 

overall I think MS is in a way stronger position than at the begin of the current gen, as their stronger market position and consumer accentance is more important than a 1 year headstart

 

They did well in the US because of FPS and rise of COD. In the UK they had advantage with the price of PS3 but since the slim it is pretty even between them.

All fifa, sports games, fighting games, racing games, action adventure games and other genre PS3 has the advantage except FPS.

360 gained on newer games with FPS only. Charging with online gameplay they tied the gamers who made friends and then it was too late for them to move to PS3, PC because of that and had to pay subscription fees to play online. So they celeverly trapped them but not sure those guys will continue next gen TBH.

They are in good position because only average gamer will go with 720 considering 360 support is been dying for years now.

The timed exclusive is the only thing I see going for 720. Everyone knows PS3 wide genre of games. PS4 will continue that.

Third party will probably be same for all. In fact Sony gets lots of extra like Ezio Trilogy. AC3 extra content and so on.

 

As far PS3 going past 360 it is just matter of time as I said before.

People forgetting the 360 failure rate. This year probably the first time ever 360 failure rate is only little higher other year it was 2 and 3 times more at least.

http://www.gamesradar.com/xbox-failure-rates-are-reportedly-down-ps3-failure-rates-just-generation-comes-to-a-close/

 

PS3 is already gone past 360 actually. 360 failure rate was at one time 54%. I have seen on guy in forum says he has gone through 14 360 by now. Here is the video he has gone through more than 11.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueJonDaCLnk



 

007BondAgent on 15 December 2012

Knew this thread would turn into a console war, but it's pretty much obvious that the ps3 will outsell the xbox, it's stable in all 3 regions while microsoft isn't

See, if the xbox starts dropping off in the usa then it's pretty much done for "it will drop off once next gen consoles are out"

But sony has 3 regions to help the ps3.



ironmanDX on 15 December 2012

Lol.......



Aura7541 on 15 December 2012
exclusive_console said:
Lafiel said:
platformmaster918 said:

So I guess you're pretty sure Xbox 3 will beat PS4 then?  Considering they had every conceivable advantage this gen (a year head start +a couple months in Europe, no system sellers for PS3 in first 2 years, and most of all being 2/3 the price) and they're still going to end up 3rd I wouldn't be so confident.

personally I see MS in a very very good spot - they are likely to take US+UK markets (which probably are the most profitable markets) this gen and carry that advantage into next gen as the majority of the users seem convinced of MS' approach

as by far most western devs are located in these countries and naturally will feel more inclined to work on the neXtbox, maybe using it as their go to main platform or even trying to produce exclusives (a big part of that decision is up to publishers though)

additionally MS established their live subscription service very well and can use it to further subsidize their console, meaning they might put out the stronger console (than Sony) for the same price or a similar speced mashine for a lower price as they are sure to get a lot of revenue/profits from live subscriptions

further enhanced is that advantage by the strong yen and relatively weak dollar/euro, which means Sony can't afford to invest that much into hardware if they want to sell their machine for a decent price in dollar/euro zones

 

overall I think MS is in a way stronger position than at the begin of the current gen, as their stronger market position and consumer accentance is more important than a 1 year headstart

 

They did well in the US because of FPS and rise of COD. In the UK they had advantage with the price of PS3 but since the slim it is pretty even between them.

All fifa, sports games, fighting games, racing games, action adventure games and other genre PS3 has the advantage except FPS.

360 gained on newer games with FPS only. Charging with online gameplay they tied the gamers who made friends and then it was too late for them to move to PS3, PC because of that and had to pay subscription fees to play online. So they celeverly trapped them but not sure those guys will continue next gen TBH.

They are in good position because only average gamer will go with 720 considering 360 support is been dying for years now.

The timed exclusive is the only thing I see going for 720. Everyone knows PS3 wide genre of games. PS4 will continue that.

Third party will probably be same for all. In fact Sony gets lots of extra like Ezio Trilogy. AC3 extra content and so on.

 

As far PS3 going past 360 it is just matter of time as I said before.

People forgetting the 360 failure rate. This year probably the first time ever 360 failure rate is only little higher other year it was 2 and 3 times more at least.

http://www.gamesradar.com/xbox-failure-rates-are-reportedly-down-ps3-failure-rates-just-generation-comes-to-a-close/

 

PS3 is already gone past 360 actually. 360 failure rate was at one time 54%. I have seen on guy in forum says he has gone through 14 360 by now. Here is the video he has gone through more than 11.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueJonDaCLnk

The PS3 install base has been larger than the 360 install base since last March, at least according to Strategy Analytics. And this March, it showed the PS3 still had a larger install base than the 360's.

http://www.industrygamers.com/news/ps3-surpasses-xbox-360-worldwide-report/

http://www.industrygamers.com/news/ps3-surpasses-xbox-360-worldwide-report/



Michael-5 on 16 December 2012
ironmanDX said:
Lol @ the Sony fanboys talking about the head start for the xbox 3. Even if we do get it, we don't need it this time. Xbox 1 was an introduction into the gaming world, the 360 was more about growth and gaining market share, which is why the year head start was a necessity. The 360 outsold the successor of the greatest selling home console in history ( to be fair, at least for the moment and the gen they were part of). We have the momentum, market share and brand awareness. Not to mention the juggernaut that is Microsoft behind the wheel. I'm not saying were going to win, that would be foolish, but as far as positioning, Microsoft are probably in the best position out of the 2 companies (Ninty has already started the next gen) to go into the next/this new generation.

Yep, Microsoft has definatly created a name for themselves this gen. At least in Americas, Sony and Nintendo should be worried about Microsofts continued growth. We may never see PS-dominance of yesterday with America's seemingly in favor of Nintendo and Microsoft.

However someone did raise a good point about NextBox exclusives. I hear MS has developed several new studios, so I'm hoping for more then just Halo, Forza, and Fable next gen.



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