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When will PS3 overtake 360 in total sales?

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osed125 on 12 December 2012

I'm probably going to get flamed for this, but what's so impressive about the PS3 overtaking the 360? I mean I really like Sony first party games, but the PS3 had 3 successful markets while the 360 failed in one (that market being Japan), and the PS3 sales are still quite behind the 360 in NA (VGC numbers). I will say that it is kinda impressive when the 360 launched 1 year before the PS3 but my original point stays. Besides it's not like MS didn't try to make the system successful in Japan, they had a Monster Hunter game plus some JRPGs, but it still bombed.



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Max King of the Wild on 12 December 2012
kowenicki said:
Max King of the Wild said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
slowmo said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
postofficebuddy said:
 

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they had to mean shipped, otherwise there would be an bigger gap between PS360 sales, and our sold numbers wouldn't match, or be close to shipped numbers.

remember, PR is the BS businesses want you to hear, you have to fact check for yourself. Nitendo show reports of console sales every yr. for comparison.

i'll find it for you if you'd like



http://www.microsoft.com/investor/EarningsAndFinancials/Earnings/Kpi/FY13/Q1/Detail.aspx

360 - FY 12 = 13mil

http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdataps3_sale_e.html

Ps3 - FY 11 = 13.9 mil

I don't know why the FY is different but those are both their last years reports.


Financial years arent calendar years, and furthermore MS financial year is different to Sony financial year. 

MS FY 2012 is June 2011 to June 2012

Sony FY 2011 is March 2011 to March 2012



I figured it was something like that. However it's not completely useless comparing the two. They both have a years worth of data.



Max King of the Wild on 12 December 2012
kowenicki said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
Max King of the Wild said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
slowmo said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
postofficebuddy said:
 

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So you are comparing Jan to Dec with March to March.  Cool.

Also 2011 calendar year shipments (Jan to Dec)

360: 14.9

PS3: 14.1


It's all irrelevant now considering it's 70 mil 360's since September and 70 million Ps3's since October. and I expect it to be like 75-76 million 360's since December and 74-75mil Ps3's since December. I'm gonna say both ship about 5-6 million this quarter.



slowmo on 12 December 2012
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
slowmo said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
postofficebuddy said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
i'm doubtful of 2013-2015. i just don't see 360 declining enough for that to happen. maybe 2015 pending Sony PS3 sales stay 1m a head of 360.

yea by the by. PS3 finished 600k a head of 360 for 2012.


Hmm? Probably going to be more like 1.3-1.5 million.

typo. i meant 2011 lol.

Which given Microsoft's PR last year (claimed they sold the most WW) means we clearly undertracked the 360 last year yet that never got adjusted up.  Perhaps thats why they've been stealth adjusting weekly this year in the US (showing overtracked) and why the figures aren't as close as they usually are to NPD as they make up for cocking up last year. 

they had to mean shipped, otherwise there would be an bigger gap between PS360 sales, and our sold numbers wouldn't match, or be close to shipped numbers.

remember, PR is the BS businesses want you to hear, you have to fact check for yourself. Nitendo show reports of console sales every yr. for comparison.

i'll find it for you if you'd like


I'm not saying you're responsible for this but we seem to have a lot of pro Sony fans on this site demanding figures get adjusted due to Sony PR (every few weeks), the door has to swing both ways when Microsoft release statements that don't match our figuers too.  Anyway I'll leave it at that as there isn't any point discussing it further as time will tell if the adjustments made recently were correct.



MARCUSDJACKSON on 12 December 2012
kowenicki said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
Max King of the Wild said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
slowmo said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
postofficebuddy said:
 

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they had to mean shipped, otherwise there would be an bigger gap between PS360 sales, and our sold numbers wouldn't match, or be close to shipped numbers.

remember, PR is the BS businesses want you to hear, you have to fact check for yourself. Nitendo show reports of console sales every yr. for comparison.

i'll find it for you if you'd like



http://www.microsoft.com/investor/EarningsAndFinancials/Earnings/Kpi/FY13/Q1/Detail.aspx

360 - FY 12 = 13mil

http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdataps3_sale_e.html

Ps3 - FY 11 = 13.9 mil

I don't know why the FY is different but those are both their last years reports.

ok, so Sony won. i think we had Sony a bit over 14m or so. i'm sure it was adjusted.

So you are comparing Jan to Dec with March to March.  Cool.

Also 2011 calendar year shipments (Jan to Dec)

360: 14.9

PS3: 14.1

awe you know the business. numbers you remeber. not wht they are tied to. thanks



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Lafiel on 12 December 2012
platformmaster918 said:

So I guess you're pretty sure Xbox 3 will beat PS4 then?  Considering they had every conceivable advantage this gen (a year head start +a couple months in Europe, no system sellers for PS3 in first 2 years, and most of all being 2/3 the price) and they're still going to end up 3rd I wouldn't be so confident.

personally I see MS in a very very good spot - they are likely to take US+UK markets (which probably are the most profitable markets) this gen and carry that advantage into next gen as the majority of the users seem convinced of MS' approach

as by far most western devs are located in these countries and naturally will feel more inclined to work on the neXtbox, maybe using it as their go to main platform or even trying to produce exclusives (a big part of that decision is up to publishers though)

additionally MS established their live subscription service very well and can use it to further subsidize their console, meaning they might put out the stronger console (than Sony) for the same price or a similar speced mashine for a lower price as they are sure to get a lot of revenue/profits from live subscriptions

further enhanced is that advantage by the strong yen and relatively weak dollar/euro, which means Sony can't afford to invest that much into hardware if they want to sell their machine for a decent price in dollar/euro zones

 

overall I think MS is in a way stronger position than at the begin of the current gen, as their stronger market position and consumer accentance is more important than a 1 year headstart



platformmaster918 on 12 December 2012
Lafiel said:
platformmaster918 said:

So I guess you're pretty sure Xbox 3 will beat PS4 then?  Considering they had every conceivable advantage this gen (a year head start +a couple months in Europe, no system sellers for PS3 in first 2 years, and most of all being 2/3 the price) and they're still going to end up 3rd I wouldn't be so confident.

personally I see MS in a very very good spot - they are likely to take US+UK markets (which probably are the most profitable markets) this gen and carry that advantage into next gen as the majority of the users seem convinced of MS' approach

as by far most western devs are located in these countries and naturally will feel more inclined to work on the neXtbox, maybe using it as their go to main platform or even trying to produce exclusives (a big part of that decision is up to publishers though)

additionally MS established their live subscription service very well and can use it to further subsidize their console, meaning they might put out the stronger console (than Sony) for the same price or a similar speced mashine for a lower price as they are sure to get a lot of revenue/profits from live subscriptions

further enhanced is that advantage by the strong yen and relatively weak dollar/euro, which means Sony can't afford to invest that much into hardware if they want to sell their machine for a decent price in dollar/euro zones

 

overall I think MS is in a way stronger position than at the begin of the current gen, as their stronger market position and consumer accentance is more important than a 1 year headstart

Sony had the weakest console 2 straight gens and dominated through software and reasonable cost.  They had no software, were late, and cost waaaaaay too much at the beginning of this gen.  Microsoft can go ahead and have the most powerful it won't help them much unless they are the only system that can handle games which would require a Wii to PS360 gap in power which I don't see occuring.  Not to mention they have to integrate Kinect which will drive up the cost while Move can still function as an add-on and keep the system cost down.




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MARCUSDJACKSON on 12 December 2012
slowmo said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
slowmo said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
postofficebuddy said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
i'm doubtful of 2013-2015. i just don't see 360 declining enough for that to happen. maybe 2015 pending Sony PS3 sales stay 1m a head of 360.

yea by the by. PS3 finished 600k a head of 360 for 2012.


Hmm? Probably going to be more like 1.3-1.5 million.

typo. i meant 2011 lol.

Which given Microsoft's PR last year (claimed they sold the most WW) means we clearly undertracked the 360 last year yet that never got adjusted up.  Perhaps thats why they've been stealth adjusting weekly this year in the US (showing overtracked) and why the figures aren't as close as they usually are to NPD as they make up for cocking up last year. 

they had to mean shipped, otherwise there would be an bigger gap between PS360 sales, and our sold numbers wouldn't match, or be close to shipped numbers.

remember, PR is the BS businesses want you to hear, you have to fact check for yourself. Nitendo show reports of console sales every yr. for comparison.

i'll find it for you if you'd like


I'm not saying you're responsible for this but we seem to have a lot of pro Sony fans on this site demanding figures get adjusted due to Sony PR (every few weeks), the door has to swing both ways when Microsoft release statements that don't match our figuers too.  Anyway I'll leave it at that as there isn't any point discussing it further as time will tell if the adjustments made recently were correct.

lol i know. just pointing it out. no harm done mate. i'm no fan of PR as it leads to nothing being said. i'm sure you agree.

and yes the door should swing both ways. i'm one of those Sony fans that looks at the numbers and says. impressive, even if they need be adjusted lol. no need to raise sam/hell about numbers right lol.

but yea you're right. Sony fans do it every yr. this gen. just didn't turnout the way the core fanboy Sony base wanted lol.  some core fans got caut in the mix aswell.

hey we can talk about this all day. nothing wrong with that right? great convo. hope to do it again soon, although most of the time it last longer then just about 4 post lol.

 

 



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MARCUSDJACKSON on 12 December 2012
kowenicki said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
kowenicki said:

So you are comparing Jan to Dec with March to March.  Cool.

Also 2011 calendar year shipments (Jan to Dec)

360: 14.9

PS3: 14.1

awe you know the business. numbers you remeber. not wht they are tied to. thanks

once more in english please.

srry i was in a rush.

i couldn't reember wether those numbers were shipped or sold, but you clarified that for me.



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Michael-5 on 12 December 2012
exclusive_console said:
platformmaster918 said:
exclusive_console said:
Actually PS3 has already past 360. You know about 360 failure rate right ?

But if you are talking about total numbers. The 2 million lead 360 has is fading away. Rather than going past 360. Their target is probably 120 million. I see PS3 selling good for next 5yrs TBH. I can see another slim version in 2 yrs with 1 TB. PS3 has lots of potential and great catalog of games in every genre.

ok I'm a big time Sony fan and think PS3 could end up winning this gen eventually, but that predicition is absolutely ridiculous.  They could reach 105 million (what I think) and barely edge out Wii, but 120 million?  Absolutly not going to happen.  Another redesign won't do much in 2 years with other consoles out.  They will reach 100 million through the magical $199 price and a bevy of exclusives early next year, plus probably 2 big ones after PS4 releases this fall, and finally the $150 price, but they would have to almost sell at the same pace as their first 6 years in the next 6 years to reach that number which just isn't feasible.  Even PS2 only sold about %50 of its total (104 million) after the next gen started so I see PS3 doing about those same numbers.  If it's at 75 million when PS4 launches that means about 37.5 million throughout the years (optimistically considering PS2 didn't really have competitors left) so 112.5 million even if it sells like PS2 did after next gen.  The only way it could sell what you say is if 360 and Wii were discontinued and they got it down to $99 in a couple years and even then it might be too irrelevant to get the games PS2 did after the next gen was out.

 

PS3 has much longer lifespan than PS2. There are still million in Japan who have not bought PS3 and million more in other regions.

PS2 din't even have online. It used DVD. PS3 has free online, Blu-ray  and next version might come with a 1 TB. - It has everything going for it.

It will be more affordable and must in every household. WIth collection selling at great price.

I cannot see anyone with Iota of brain not getting PS3 then and going for Wii, 360 which are dead, dying respectively.

We have to wait and see but I see what PS3 has to offer and no reason for it not to sell for another 5-6yrs TBH.

There also might be a new GT game as install base is so much for PS3. Sony might also support PS3 to make 120million or whatever their target is.

PS3 probably has a short lifespan then PS2.

-When the 7th generation started PS2 had already sold about 105 million units. PS3 only just broke 70 million now that the 8th generation started.
-PS2 had a LOT more exclusive software and significantly more third party support then the PS3. Just about every other game released that generation was a PS2 exclusive or timed exclusive. Games like GTA: San Andreas extended PS2's lifetime significantly, GTAV is not an exclusive and any boosting effect it and other 3rd party games have, will be split between the PS3 and the 360.
-PS2 didn't have online, but no one played online back then lol
-PS2 also ended it's life at $140, PS3 is still being sold for $250, and with Sony's financial troubles, I don't see this price dropping by much
-How is 360 dead? YoY loss for 360 and PS3 are nearly the same at 24.5 and 18% respectively, the HD twins are dropping at a similar rate.
-And a new GT game? IF Sony is working on a GT6, it will be an early PS4 title, not a late PS3 title.



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