MDMAlliance said:
mrstickball said:
MDMAlliance said:
mrstickball said:
WiiU will be headed for disappointment come Jan/Feb. Mark my words.
WiiU, 3DS and Vita are going to be the big losers of this generation. |
I can't really say anything about what will be the future of the Wii U, but my god you must be retarded if you think the 3DS is going to be a "big loser of this generation."
The 3DS selling 500k in one week is never bad. It only did "poorly" because last year it sold much more at the same time.
But I think you weren't paying attention when it's been announced that Fire Emblem, Animal Crossing, and Luigi's Mansion are coming to North America next year. All of these games have good potential at selling the system.
Not only that, but we have Monster Hunter 4 for Japan and global Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate for Wii U and 3DS. There's Dragon Quest VII for Japan. There are two more Zelda games that will be coming to the 3DS as well. A remake and an original. Super Smash Brothers too. ALL of these things I listed will boost the sales of the 3DS, and the 3DS' sales are ALREADY quite high, being a third of the sales of the PS3 or 360's and being out for a fifth of the time. Seriously?
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I'm retarded? Thanks for the comment.
Its going to be a big loser compared to the DS. By the end of the generation, mobiles will have taken away what market share Nintendo (still) has, leaving very little for them to pick over.
The 3DS selling 500k in one week isn't bad if you don't bother looking at comparative DS sales during the same point in its lifespan. The DS sold 850,000 units in 2006, and 1.3m in 2007. Do you believe that the titles you listed are going to give the 3DS a 150% increase in unit sales for Holiday 2013? If not, its going to fall further and further behind.
And to me, that is going to be a big dissapointment to Nintendo. Both Sony and Nintendo are going to lose a lot of market share, because their devices are not very different from their last generation offerings, whereas mobiles are really disrupting the market and economics for both systems.
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#1: The total sales of the 3DS have been outpacing the DS when it was at this point in its life. #2: You called these systems losers of this generation, that means it is completely irrelevant to bring up the DS since it is considered to be part of a different generation. #3: I never said they'll give the 3DS a 150% increase in unit sales for Holiday 2013, but does it matter if the overall yearly sales end up being higher? I also never even TRIED to argue for the 3DS selling higher than the DS, if it did, the 3DS would be the best selling console system in videogaming history. I have no idea why it has to accomplish that in order to be considered anything other than a loser.
Losing and gaining parts of the market share is normal, and it's constantly changing. This makes the actual number of sales relative, and your statement makes little sense. Also what do you even mean by "not very different?" The Gameboy sold, and the Gameboy Advanced sold regardless of not being very different. How different do you consider the DS? Two screens, one being a touch screen? It seems like your standard of "different" is the weird one here. I also think that the PS Vita is considerably different to the PSP. They added a touch screen, a reartouch, two analogs, and added several things among its software.
I also called you a retard in the "if" situation because it appropriately insults the notion of anyone thinking such a ridiculous thing is actually true. I can ONLY see the 3DS being a "loser" in respect to not being able to hold something up to expectations, but that would also mean that ANY system that doesn't sell as much, if not more, than its predecessor is a loser. This makes the PS3 a loser.
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1. Its only out-paced the DS if you are doing non-aligned launches. Go look at the same point in time in 2006 for the DS and now for the 3DS. That is critical to the observation, as the DS continued to see huge yearly gains starting in 2006. Comparatively, the 3DS is down from last year. You can justify this due to the huge price drop, but that should show you how weak the 3DS is - it took a huge price drop and its at ~24m units through November of its 2nd holiday.
2. They're losers this generation because they aren't going to achieve strong results for their owners. If the 3DS and WiiU see their unit sales drop by 50% life to date in comparison to their predecessors, isn't that a huge loss? Only in some crazy world would such a huge cut not be considered a loss. But that has been the core of my argument: the 3DS, Vita and WiiU are going to see less than 50% of the units sold of their predecessors. Regardless if that is PS2>PS3, Wii>WiiU, DS>3DS, or PSP>Vita, its bad news.
3. The reason I mentioned the 150% increase in unit sales is because that's what it'd take to keep up its sales pace with the DS next year. If it doesn't, its going to continue to have a notably slower sales pace vs. the DS. That is not good, and tantamount to my argument about the 3DS.
"Losing and gaining marketshare is normal" - sure, but by how much? If there's a catastrophic loss, its going to hurt a company's profit margins, which will hurt them in the long run. Look at Sega. They had reducing market share from the Genesis through Dreamcast, and it cost them dearly.
My argument about different is that the DS was hugely disruptive in 2004/5. No handheld had anything close to what the DS offered. Capacitive touch screens were barely available for mobile phones, yet the DS had them at a very affordable price. That was hugely beneficial to its success. Comparatively, the 3D nature of the 3DS has done very little in regards to perception of the device - making it little different than its far more prolific competitor, the iPhone or Android systems.
The PS3 is in fact a loser. Its lost Sony billions of dollars. If a system fails to turn a profit for a company, its a loser, is it not?
