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mundus6 said:

Also yes a PC from 2005 can easily outpreform a 360, if your PC was top notch when you bought it. People don't seem to know that games like COD have native 1040x600 resolution only on consoles (even lower on PS3). Also Halo 4 was the first in the series that had 720p as native resolution. Even a PC from 2001 is capable of higher resolution.


You do remember what kind of pc:s were in 2005? Some amd x2 4200 or something like that and a geforce 6800 or so gpu and 1gb of ram. That was pretty high end, usually people bought cheaper parts. 360 has a tricore ppc processor, which was more powerful than those amd x2 processors. Also the x1800xt like xenos was more powerful than a 6800.

I had a 3500+, 2gb ram and 6600gt. It was no match for 360.



E3 2013 is in 6-7 months. If the Wii U doesn't have any graphically impressive games by then I doubt most people will care. Even if it ups its game after the reveal of the next generation systems from Sony and Microsoft people just won't care.



Tease.

reports of the final game haven't been kind 

"Unfortunately, it appears Hyper is a bit of an unfortunate name for this new installment, as the game is noticeably uglier and slower than the original release. Anti-aliasing seems to not be in any sort of effect, as character edges and shadows are jagged to an off-putting degree. Weapons, in particular, look like they're made out of crumpled paper, while background environment details can be seen as twitching, textureless blocks of indistinct nothingness. 

The series has always struggled with rendering a ton of characters onscreen at once, and sometimes enemies would "fade" out of view in order to keep the engine from collapsing. Even by established standards, the extreme degree to which it occurs here is shameful. Huge clusters of enemies and allies will blink in and out of existence, and there doesn't need to be many of them onscreen for it to happen. Even in boss encounters against the Hydra, the creature's heads would disappear as I got them within my sights. 

Slowdown, however, is the real killer. Not only does Hyper run at a slower framerate in general, the action winds down to an excruciating crawl in even moderately sized encounters. Again, framerate dips have been nothing new to a series that fills its screen with enemies, but it's never been this bad. From the very first level, right through the entire campaign, half the fights are undertaken in slow motion, the game struggling to cope with anything more complicated than a meager handful of opponents. "

Read more at http://www.destructoid.com/review-warriors-orochi-3-hyper-239067.phtml#KLXbtSTx8OA8OdzG.99 

And Jim is a huge fan of the series (for some reason) so it's not like he is going to just bash it. And he talks up the Wii U gamepad as well. So much for them improving the graphics.



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So PS4/720 will have better graphics than Wii U?

Everybody knows that.

So what's your point?



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mundus6 said:
Barozi said:
mundus6 said:
So i come too this thread and i see and old fashioned console war between, PS3 and Xbox 360. This thread is about how Wii U is capable of better graphics than both consoles, not which has the best looking games. I am pretty sure that if Microsoft really wanted to push graphics in a game and where willing to use the budget, they could make a 360 game that looked better than Uncharted 3 for example. The same goes for Sony obviously, as the Last of Us seems to take the graphic up a level again. But none of this matters, you don't play console games if you care about graphics...

A game that came out for PC 5 years ago (Crysis 1) looks better than anything that can be seen on any console. Even if you have a 5 year old PC (yes it was expensive when it came, and its pretty bad by todays standard, but it would still blow both 360 and PS3 out of the water). If you buy a PC today, for less than $300 (minus the screen) it has better graphics than PS3 and 360 easily.

So please stop saying, game X looks better than game Y, since both have crappy graphics when compared to PC, we don't play consoles to have the best graphics, we play, cause of the exclusives and the bigger player base online (also no cheaters).

$300 ? Show me how.

Newegg:

HDD 320GB $60
Windows $100
Tower $20
RAM 2GB DDR3 $10
Mainboard $40
DVD Drive $15
Power Supply Unit $15
Mouse $5
Keyboard $5

$29.99 left and no screen, no audio, no graphics card and no CPU (and likely no CPU cooler). And given how shitty these cheap parts are (especially the PSU) it won't last you very long.


As for the Crysis comment that is a very very bad comparison. Show me a PC from 2005 that would be able to run this with higher settings than the 360 (so that it's a notable improvement or how you'd call it "blow out of the water"). I'm not saying it's impossible but the costs for that would be insane, much much more expensive than a launch 360

Take that out of the equation, im sorry, but when i count for price for a PC i never include the OS. Why? Cause i already have my OS, not gonna buy it again. And Windows 7 for me was a lot cheaper than $100... Audio cards are built into the mainboard. So that leave you with $120 to buy a CPU and a GPU, which is easy. Cause all that PC gotta do is outpreform a PS3 or 360. Personally i would spend something like $500 and get a PC that will last a couple of years.

Also yes a PC from 2005 can easily outpreform a 360, if your PC was top notch when you bought it. People don't seem to know that games like COD have native 1040x600 resolution only on consoles (even lower on PS3). Also Halo 4 was the first in the series that had 720p as native resolution. Even a PC from 2001 is capable of higher resolution.

I'm reading lots of excuses right now.

I don't care about your situation. I'm stating facts that are true for a neutral person who never had a PC before.

You NEED to buy Windows at some point. Yes you can get the newest versions cheaper when you upgraded from the last one, but still. You NEED to buy it and not just an update. Even for people who owned a PC or laptop with pre-installed OEM Windows. Those cannot be transferred to another personal computer.
Yes some may also get it cheaper or even for free if they are studying something in the IT section. But this is far from being a fair comparison.

I wasn't talking about audio cards, I was talking about speakers.


As for the last paragraph, you can't be serious when you only talk about resolution and it makes me think that you have no clue about this topic.
360 can do 1080p, NATIVE. It has 1080p retail games (such as FIFA Street 3 for example). Can a PC from 2001 run Crysis at 720p and the same settings (texture resolution, shadows, lighting, draw distance, A.I., Anti-aliasing etc.) as the console versions ? Definitely not, so why do you bring that up ? Resolution isn't everything.



S.T.A.G.E. said:


I have no doubt that in a year or two the Wii U will be able to pump out visuals slightly better than the PS3 or 360. However, by that time the PS4 and NeXbox will be out and be blowing by it with just their launch titles (and within a year, they will look even better). Until then, the fact that games will look the same as this gen, and in some extreme cases worse, is not going to be winning many core gamers over at anytime soon.


They can "pump" out visuals slightly better than ps360.. now..?  next year.. we will see some big differents.. (the ps360 lovers will have to surender..:) )and in 2-3 years we will se the true power.. just like ps360.. (remember back in 2006-2006 the grafic was.. not that good..


You do know that if the next gen consoles for Nintendos competition launch next year it will force the Wii U to its graphical limits on possible multiplats before it even reaches its first third year. A lot of multiplats will not be eligible for the Wii U, which is why Nintendo owners will have to probably own multiple consoles anyway to get both experiences. Nintendo will have to survive off of its exclusives.

You bring up plenty certainties and you use the word "will," very often. I suggest to give sources of the actual technicalities of the systems since you seem to know what will happen Nostradamus.....

So PS4 will have VERY capable power by how much? 4 times or 5 times the Wii-U? How much PS4 will cost when that releases?

So XBOX 720 will have VERY capable power as well by how much? 4 times or 5 times the Wii-U? AND at the sametime being bundled with Kinect? How much Xbox 720 will cost when that releases ?

Answer those questions with accuracy and do not go off in a tangent or bring up a novel. Thank You.



Barozi said:
mundus6 said:
Barozi said:
mundus6 said:
So i come too this thread and i see and old fashioned console war between, PS3 and Xbox 360. This thread is about how Wii U is capable of better graphics than both consoles, not which has the best looking games. I am pretty sure that if Microsoft really wanted to push graphics in a game and where willing to use the budget, they could make a 360 game that looked better than Uncharted 3 for example. The same goes for Sony obviously, as the Last of Us seems to take the graphic up a level again. But none of this matters, you don't play console games if you care about graphics...

A game that came out for PC 5 years ago (Crysis 1) looks better than anything that can be seen on any console. Even if you have a 5 year old PC (yes it was expensive when it came, and its pretty bad by todays standard, but it would still blow both 360 and PS3 out of the water). If you buy a PC today, for less than $300 (minus the screen) it has better graphics than PS3 and 360 easily.

So please stop saying, game X looks better than game Y, since both have crappy graphics when compared to PC, we don't play consoles to have the best graphics, we play, cause of the exclusives and the bigger player base online (also no cheaters).

$300 ? Show me how.

Newegg:

HDD 320GB $60
Windows $100
Tower $20
RAM 2GB DDR3 $10
Mainboard $40
DVD Drive $15
Power Supply Unit $15
Mouse $5
Keyboard $5

$29.99 left and no screen, no audio, no graphics card and no CPU (and likely no CPU cooler). And given how shitty these cheap parts are (especially the PSU) it won't last you very long.


As for the Crysis comment that is a very very bad comparison. Show me a PC from 2005 that would be able to run this with higher settings than the 360 (so that it's a notable improvement or how you'd call it "blow out of the water"). I'm not saying it's impossible but the costs for that would be insane, much much more expensive than a launch 360

Take that out of the equation, im sorry, but when i count for price for a PC i never include the OS. Why? Cause i already have my OS, not gonna buy it again. And Windows 7 for me was a lot cheaper than $100... Audio cards are built into the mainboard. So that leave you with $120 to buy a CPU and a GPU, which is easy. Cause all that PC gotta do is outpreform a PS3 or 360. Personally i would spend something like $500 and get a PC that will last a couple of years.

Also yes a PC from 2005 can easily outpreform a 360, if your PC was top notch when you bought it. People don't seem to know that games like COD have native 1040x600 resolution only on consoles (even lower on PS3). Also Halo 4 was the first in the series that had 720p as native resolution. Even a PC from 2001 is capable of higher resolution.

I'm reading lots of excuses right now.

I don't care about your situation. I'm stating facts that are true for a neutral person who never had a PC before.

You NEED to buy Windows at some point. Yes you can get the newest versions cheaper when you upgraded from the last one, but still. You NEED to buy it and not just an update. Even for people who owned a PC or laptop with pre-installed OEM Windows. Those cannot be transferred to another personal computer.
Yes some may also get it cheaper or even for free if they are studying something in the IT section. But this is far from being a fair comparison.

I wasn't talking about audio cards, I was talking about speakers.


As for the last paragraph, you can't be serious when you only talk about resolution and it makes me think that you have no clue about this topic.
360 can do 1080p, NATIVE. It has 1080p retail games (such as FIFA Street 3 for example). Can a PC from 2001 run Crysis at 720p and the same settings (texture resolution, shadows, lighting, draw distance, A.I., Anti-aliasing etc.) as the console versions ? Definitely not, so why do you bring that up ? Resolution isn't everything.

No you dont NEED to buy Windows, some people doesn't even like Windows, do you know how popular Linux is? So popular in fact that steam will be brought to that and with that every game that runs via steam. Linux is 100% free btw.

Yes some 360 games can be run in native 1080p but they are more rare than all the 540p native games. Unless you count XBLA games, which quite a few has 1080p actually, but those games don't have good graphics normally. I know that resolution, isn't everything, but considering we are running a lot of games upscaled to 720p on consoles with 30fps, when we can run the same game with twice the draw distance, much better textures, 16x AA 1920x1080 resolution 60 fps on a bellow $1000 PC (and that includes everything even windows). The consoles are getting old, the games are showing how limited the consoles are today. Yet fanboys seem to think that games like Killzone 3 has the best graphics ever.



mundus6 said:
Barozi said:
mundus6 said:

Take that out of the equation, im sorry, but when i count for price for a PC i never include the OS. Why? Cause i already have my OS, not gonna buy it again. And Windows 7 for me was a lot cheaper than $100... Audio cards are built into the mainboard. So that leave you with $120 to buy a CPU and a GPU, which is easy. Cause all that PC gotta do is outpreform a PS3 or 360. Personally i would spend something like $500 and get a PC that will last a couple of years.

Also yes a PC from 2005 can easily outpreform a 360, if your PC was top notch when you bought it. People don't seem to know that games like COD have native 1040x600 resolution only on consoles (even lower on PS3). Also Halo 4 was the first in the series that had 720p as native resolution. Even a PC from 2001 is capable of higher resolution.

I'm reading lots of excuses right now.

I don't care about your situation. I'm stating facts that are true for a neutral person who never had a PC before.

You NEED to buy Windows at some point. Yes you can get the newest versions cheaper when you upgraded from the last one, but still. You NEED to buy it and not just an update. Even for people who owned a PC or laptop with pre-installed OEM Windows. Those cannot be transferred to another personal computer.
Yes some may also get it cheaper or even for free if they are studying something in the IT section. But this is far from being a fair comparison.

I wasn't talking about audio cards, I was talking about speakers.


As for the last paragraph, you can't be serious when you only talk about resolution and it makes me think that you have no clue about this topic.
360 can do 1080p, NATIVE. It has 1080p retail games (such as FIFA Street 3 for example). Can a PC from 2001 run Crysis at 720p and the same settings (texture resolution, shadows, lighting, draw distance, A.I., Anti-aliasing etc.) as the console versions ? Definitely not, so why do you bring that up ? Resolution isn't everything.

No you dont NEED to buy Windows, some people doesn't even like Windows, do you know how popular Linux is? So popular in fact that steam will be brought to that and with that every game that runs via steam. Linux is 100% free btw.

Yes some 360 games can be run in native 1080p but they are more rare than all the 540p native games. Unless you count XBLA games, which quite a few has 1080p actually, but those games don't have good graphics normally. I know that resolution, isn't everything, but considering we are running a lot of games upscaled to 720p on consoles with 30fps, when we can run the same game with twice the draw distance, much better textures, 16x AA 1920x1080 resolution 60 fps on a bellow $1000 PC (and that includes everything even windows). The consoles are getting old, the games are showing how limited the consoles are today. Yet fanboys seem to think that games like Killzone 3 has the best graphics ever.

I'd never disagree with that. But the rest you said in your previous posts were plain wrong.
Thing is games are changing a $1000 PC is not automatically better than a console. It's extremely important when you bought it. Comparing a $1000 PC you bought in 2012 only to compare it to a 360 or PS3 is just not a valid comparison, if you want to come to any meaningful conclusions.

Also there are still miles away of having all games on Steam, so yes for these multiplat games you need Windows in nearly all cases. If you're lucky you can find a Mac version.



mundus6 said:

No you dont NEED to buy Windows, some people doesn't even like Windows, do you know how popular Linux is? So popular in fact that steam will be brought to that and with that every game that runs via steam. Linux is 100% free btw.


Really? I have been hearing that since what, 2000? Can I play all the steam games I own on my linux box now or let's say in one year? Two years? Three? All of them?