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dahuman on 12 November 2012
S.T.A.G.E. said:
dahuman said:
the2real4mafol said:
DirtyP2002 said:


I don't feel like arguing, so here are just some points:

  • Cheaters, there are more cheaters on Steam than on XBL. If you get caught you are banned from the service. If you get caught on steam you are banned from one server of one game.~ Steam is based on the community rather than the games and Microsoft seems to be strict on cheating anyway 
  • Messenger integration - no explanation needed.~ Ever heard of skype?
  • Voice Chat integration, works perfectly fine on XBL. You need to download another software like TS on steam and there is no integration at all. Some players are using different software like vent.~ Skype again
  • Customer Service, this is basically unknown on steam. MS customer service works fine.~ That's because valve is only offering a service, while microsoft offer hardware and service. The PC hardware has little to do with steam.
  • App integration, XBL offers so much more Apps now and they are all very well integrated. Steam can't do anything like that.~ If you didn't know steam is starting to sell PC software now, it doesn't need apps, that's what the internet browser is for
  • Achievements are way better on XBL than on Steam.~ Steam doesn't take achievements very seriously like playstation or xbox does
  • Avatars~ I'll let you have that one, Xbox does have some good avatars out there (not worth paying xbox live for though)
  • Community feeling, XBL is way more community friendly than Steam~ the community on steam depends on what you play really, while on Xbox, the community is more about you and your friends really
  • Security, XBL is more secure than Steam.~ I agree, xbox live has decent security
Xbox 360 is good as it's really a all in one machine, but the subscription cost shouldn't be there at all

That were just some points that matter to me. I really like Steam Deals though. That is where steam > XBL IMO. I hope some Black Friday deals make their way to Germany as well.



Is the Euro version of Steam different or something? Valve does perma ban if the games use VAC as anti cheating, but that's a publisher's choice, not Valve's. You don't need Skype for messenger, Steam has a messenger and fully integrated group voice chat. Service must be a per country thing, in the US, the service is great and responsive. Are people seriously saying that computers don't have applications? ^^;; holy shit...... not to mention most new Steam games all come with achievements and the player base on PC in the US are pretty mature and friendly for the most part. I also have the freedom to change my avatar to whatever I want o_O; I'm really confused, Steam must really suck outside of America or something.



They attack Steam yet need to acknowledge the fact that Xbox Lives existence is a carbon copy of PC online gaming streamlined for the masses. The largest innovations are on PC for multimedia expansion. I connect my laptop to my TV and I dont need cable.

I'm really confused mainly for 2 reasons: 1.) How can somebody talk crap about Steam when it's so bluntly obvious after a few posts that the person most likely doesn't use Steam?(not you the2real) and 2.) 0 dollars?

The multimedia expansion is a different topic, I'm leaning towards Windows 8 x86 based tablets with USB storage capabilities about 2 years down the road, just not yet.



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Jazz2K on 12 November 2012
dahuman said:
Jazz2K said:

Hmm... Kinect isn't the holy grail. It has it's limits and most of those limits come from devs imagination/ability to operate it. I agree about the rest, it's not that precise but so was the Wiimote and it didn't prevent some devs from making great games.

Being able to block ads, I don't know about this. Maybe it's because I've work in marketing for so long, I don't think people should be able to block ads. What I think though is that people shouldn't be flooded by ads averywhere and especially if most of them aren't related to topics or prevent user from using their services for a brief time.

Some ads on VGChartz are extremely annoying. You know those that get bigger and make everything move? Or those ads on sites that have sound and you can't find them, or those popups... the should avoidable yes. Those on XBL I don't know, so many of them are related to topics it's like they're not ads but features. I understand though that some people don't like ads and want to remove them all, maybe the option to remove them should be there, I wouldn't use it on XBL though.


I understand that if you work in the marketing field, ads are the most important things to generate that revenu, I'm in a totally different field though, and they just seem intrusive unless I'm using the service without paying a premium, consumers like to have a choice if they are shelling money out. The problems I see with Kinect are more on the technical front rather than devs having the ability to make good games on it, the actual input method is a good idea, but the execution based on the hardware is crappy, and that's why I listed the needed improvements.


It's not perfect of course and yes it needs improvement... like say... anything? Anyway, to me devs are the reason games are bad. Controllers were bad back then but devs still managed to do wonders with them. I still think people live with grudge/hate for the sake of downplaying Kinect. Really I don,t see the big deal with it. I see what kind of possibilities a hand free device can bring to gaming and sometimes with the help of a controller or some kind of device, but for now we're not up there... I know and acknowledge this, no need to bitch constantly (not directed at you but to a lot of posters and that Marcus guy).

As for advertizing... I totally agree!



Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 on 12 November 2012

Meh.. dont pay for XBL if you dont like it. Simple as that.



Yay!!!

Jazz2K on 12 November 2012
dahuman said:

I'm really confused mainly for 2 reasons: 1.) How can somebody talk crap about Steam when it's so bluntly obvious after a few posts that the person most likely doesn't use Steam?(not you the2real) and 2.) 0 dollars?

The multimedia expansion is a different topic, I'm leaning towards Windows 8 x86 based tablets with USB storage capabilities about 2 years down the road, just not yet.


Bolded - lol... this... how can people talk crap about something when it's bluntly obvious after a few posts that the person doesn't use (insert a subject)?

Not directed at you again... but a lot of posters and that Marcus guy ;)



Mad55 on 12 November 2012
Jazz2K said:
dahuman said:

I'm really confused mainly for 2 reasons: 1.) How can somebody talk crap about Steam when it's so bluntly obvious after a few posts that the person most likely doesn't use Steam?(not you the2real) and 2.) 0 dollars?

The multimedia expansion is a different topic, I'm leaning towards Windows 8 x86 based tablets with USB storage capabilities about 2 years down the road, just not yet.


Bolded - lol... this... how can people talk crap about something when it's bluntly obvious after a few posts that the person doesn't use (insert a subject)?

Not directed at you again... but a lot of posters and that Marcus guy ;)

Marcus uses steam he uses his ps3, 360 and pc alot.



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Jazz2K on 12 November 2012
Mad55 said:
Jazz2K said:


Bolded - lol... this... how can people talk crap about something when it's bluntly obvious after a few posts that the person doesn't use (insert a subject)?

Not directed at you again... but a lot of posters and that Marcus guy ;)

Marcus uses steam he uses his ps3, 360 and pc alot.

Well color me impressed... he doesn't seem to like anything Xbox, to much ads on the dashboard (which is BS), not enough exclusives, Kinect is "sh*t", paying for gold is lame and unwanted blablabla... one poster said he doesn't like any consoles at all... weird for someone that works in the industry!!!



Mad55 on 12 November 2012
Jazz2K said:
Mad55 said:
Jazz2K said:


Bolded - lol... this... how can people talk crap about something when it's bluntly obvious after a few posts that the person doesn't use (insert a subject)?

Not directed at you again... but a lot of posters and that Marcus guy ;)

Marcus uses steam he uses his ps3, 360 and pc alot.

Well color me impressed... he doesn't seem to like anything Xbox, to much ads on the dashboard (which is BS), not enough exclusives, Kinect is "sh*t", paying for gold is lame and unwanted blablabla... one poster said he doesn't like any consoles at all... weird for someone that works in the industry!!!

He prefers his pc I atch the show he is on called invisible walls. and you hear him say from time to time that he plays so and so game on consoles. also what I bolded is true right lol. He also waked of the show once because they started talking about halo 4 and he hadn'y played it yet and didn't ant to be spoiled. I don't know hes just the angry gamer. 



S.T.A.G.E. on 12 November 2012
Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 said:
Meh.. dont pay for XBL if you dont like it. Simple as that.


Most people wouldn't if Microsoft let them just use the multiplayer and subscriptions they already pay for and bar off everything else. There is no service in those things. There needs to be a clear difference between Silver and Gold. Publishers and Netflix, Hulu offerings are coming from elsewhere.



S.T.A.G.E. on 12 November 2012
Jazz2K said:
Mad55 said:
Jazz2K said:


Bolded - lol... this... how can people talk crap about something when it's bluntly obvious after a few posts that the person doesn't use (insert a subject)?

Not directed at you again... but a lot of posters and that Marcus guy ;)

Marcus uses steam he uses his ps3, 360 and pc alot.

Well color me impressed... he doesn't seem to like anything Xbox, to much ads on the dashboard (which is BS), not enough exclusives, Kinect is "sh*t", paying for gold is lame and unwanted blablabla... one poster said he doesn't like any consoles at all... weird for someone that works in the industry!!!


He loves his Xbox 360, but generally the majority of the games that would be superior on the 360 to him are already remedied by owning a PC. He doesn't hate the 360, infact he loves it, but his issue is with Microsoft.



Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 on 12 November 2012
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 said:
Meh.. dont pay for XBL if you dont like it. Simple as that.


Most people wouldn't if Microsoft let them just use the multiplayer and subscriptions they already pay for and bar off everything else. There is no service in those things. There needs to be a clear difference between Silver and Gold. Publishers and Netflix, Hulu offerings are coming from elsewhere.

Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 said:
Meh.. dont pay for XBL if you dont like it. Simple as that.



Yay!!!