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rocketpig said:

Yep. My site is off-season right  now so the traffic is fluctuating (and therefore, the stats are somewhat unreliable) but during the peak season, mobile browsers (iOS/Android) were gaining over half a percentage point a month, sometimes a full percentage point. They went from ~15% in early 2012 to ~23% in the course of 5-6 months.

That's insane.

As a side note, I know a lot of application developers (figures, being that I'm a web developer myself). I know at least five groups of people who are working on mobile applications for either iOS, Android, or both.

I don't know a single person who is working on a Windows or Mac application. All the money is in mobile right now and people are flocking to it in huge numbers.


I understand where this is going, I too work as a Web Developer and we are beginning to push even our smaller sites to have mobile templated versions.  We are pretty small so aren't really in the App business as of yet, but it's pretty obvious that's where we are going.

Everything is moving.  More people are doing without a Desktop PC in the house now and are choosing a tablet seeing as they only really want to send emails and surf the web.  Also with how quickly the tech in mobile phones are moving, everyone is accessing the web on the move, which cuts down on the need to "hold off til I get home" mentality.

Home desktop systems are a dying breed.  Yes there will be the hardcore of users that need one, but it seems that everyone is going the way that I went at home.  Desktop -> Laptop -> Tablet.



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the2real4mafol said:

For some reason, stuff tends to cost more in Japan than even Europe. But I don't know why.

But how can limited storage be a turn off for you when you got an ipad to put your music on, i'm sorry but you can't say that if you have an ipad. 

I wasn't talking about the cost in Japan, I was just wondering why adding 16gb to the N10 costs more than adding 16gb to the N7, both from Google of course. (8,000 yen vs 5,000 yen)

Actually, I don't really have that much music on my ipad. Mostly videos/movies/magazines and of course apps. Some apps can be quite large, I picked up Bastion and that takes up over 0.5gb. Things quickly add up. 64GB is a lot more space than 8gb/16gb, which is too limiting for me on a phone. On a tablet, I'd rather have more than that, which is why I went for 64GB. The SD card slot on the Surface makes getting the 32gb version, not so bad as you can add to it if you want. Being limited to 32gb on the N10 is not so great.




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runqvist said:

Oh man, such a fanboy post.

First post an anecdote, from your own site which you do not bother to link.  A link for those statistics would be also nice. You know, like we would have something concrete to analyse.

Also, have you even considered why ms is entering the tablet race? They want a slice of the market. If and when (imo) ms deals a crushing blow to android/ios on this market, do you think that there will be a) more software developed for android/ios or b) less software developed for androidIios? In case your answer is a, I would like to hear how do you figure that out?

I take that you don't have a magic crystal ball that tells you the future?

Some links to some statistics:

http://gs.statcounter.com/#os-ww-monthly-201110-201210

http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10

ROFL. "Fanboy post"? Dude, I fucking work in this industry. I don't care which platform succeeds or fails, it's all the same to me. The "mobile revolution" is actually a pain in my ass. It intensifies the amount of platforms I have to support and the number of browsers I have to cross-check.

And I'm not linking the statistics to one of my personal sites nor am I going to post statistics for my cliients' sites. I don't feel like getting fired today. Besides, I can't just "post" my statistics. I'd have to tear them out of GA and/or screenshot them. I'm not doing either.

Those graphs support my own observations. 95% of my site's traffic (the site I used in my example) comes from the US and Canada. On top of that, the userbase is highly educated and well-off. I fully expect my stats to be trending far above and beyond those of general web stats, though general web stats are also trending toward mobile, just not at the same percentages as my own site.

It's pretty damned clear who's the fanboy here and it sure ain't me. I don't give a flying fuck who "wins" this battle. I'm going to code for whichever platform comes out on top no matter what happens.




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davygee said:
rocketpig said:

Yep. My site is off-season right  now so the traffic is fluctuating (and therefore, the stats are somewhat unreliable) but during the peak season, mobile browsers (iOS/Android) were gaining over half a percentage point a month, sometimes a full percentage point. They went from ~15% in early 2012 to ~23% in the course of 5-6 months.

That's insane.

As a side note, I know a lot of application developers (figures, being that I'm a web developer myself). I know at least five groups of people who are working on mobile applications for either iOS, Android, or both.

I don't know a single person who is working on a Windows or Mac application. All the money is in mobile right now and people are flocking to it in huge numbers.


I understand where this is going, I too work as a Web Developer and we are beginning to push even our smaller sites to have mobile templated versions.  We are pretty small so aren't really in the App business as of yet, but it's pretty obvious that's where we are going.

Everything is moving.  More people are doing without a Desktop PC in the house now and are choosing a tablet seeing as they only really want to send emails and surf the web.  Also with how quickly the tech in mobile phones are moving, everyone is accessing the web on the move, which cuts down on the need to "hold off til I get home" mentality.

Home desktop systems are a dying breed.  Yes there will be the hardcore of users that need one, but it seems that everyone is going the way that I went at home.  Desktop -> Laptop -> Tablet.

Pretty much every site I work on now has some sort of mobile template/redirect to it. The good is that it's more work for me. the bad is that it's more work for me.

But the trends are there and they're obvious to everyone in the industry. If you don't know JS/HTML5, you're struggling to find work. If you do know those languages, work is plentiful.

And the rapid adoption of HTML5 has been entirely driven by mobile devices. Even IE9's support of HTML5 is lackluster at best, completely backwards and shitty at worst.




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I don't see how anyone could not see that trend developing. Hell, even if Windows stops the fact it is trending downward... IE has already been replaced. Its not the #1 browser and that won't return. Browsers have standardized and it all comes to personalization, apps, and extensions/plugins. Far as web is concerned, OS is largely irrelevant.



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runqvist said:
Scoobes said:

The question should be which is capable of running PC software (x86 code)? Surface runs on a full PC based OS and can run a full package of PC based software for business users. You also have to pay an extra premium to access that software.

The tablet market is targetted for consumers to... well... consume content. You have some tablet devices that have keyboards, but they don't run classic PC software and are only designed to do some light editing work rather then full blown PC software like Photoshop.

They're two different market segments. It's like comparing an iPad with a Mac, it's just that Microsoft have blurred the lines a bit with Windows 8.

There is no question, there is only one tablet on this topic which can run x86 code.

Okay, I'll compare.

iPad

Mac

 

No... that comparison does not feel the same as comparing a tablet to a tablet. Maybe I am going blind, but those things are quite different.

All I can see is you whining about the price and that it is unfair that one operating system happens to be superior to others. I don't know why you whine about the latter part, is it because you think it is unfair?

I meant Mac Book but its beside the point. I'm not talking about the physical appearence of the devices and I'm not whining about the price as I think the Surface Pro will be much better value then Surface RT. I'm simply stating that they're completely different market segments which you yet again ignore. Why is it so difficult to accept that they're in total different market sectors and that a comparison is not valid?

A person looking for a tablet for only apps, a bit of browsing, media and gaming will just get a normal tablet (iPad, Nexus10, Surface RT). A person looking for a touchscreen laptop/tablet hybrid will shell out the extra for Surface Pro (or a third party Windows 8 device).

In the same way, a comparison between the Nexus7/iPad mini and Nexus10/iPad would also be pointless because they are targetting different segments of the market.



Well it looks like Anand took a look at the new GPU in the iPad 4. The quad core sgx554mp4 looks like it has double the power of the 543mp4 in the A5X (iPad 3). 76.8 gflops vs 38.4 gflops. 

Nexus 10 GPU scores are also in the charts.

The iPad 4 is king of the hill when it comes to GPU performance.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6426/ipad-4-gpu-performance-analyzed-powervr-sgx-554mp4-under-the-hood

"The A6X retains the 128-bit wide memory interface of the A5X (and it keeps the memory controller interface adjacent to the GPU cores and not the CPU cores as is the case in the A5/A6). It also integrates two of Apple's new Swift cores running at up to 1.4GHz (a slight increase from the 1.3GHz cores in the iPhone 5's A6). The big news today is what happens on the GPU side. A quick look at the GLBenchmark results for the new iPad 4 tells us all we need to know. The A6X moves to a newer GPU core: the PowerVR SGX 554."

 

"Throw in a more ALU heavy workload and we really start to see the advantage of the new GPU: almost double the performance in Egypt HD at 2048 x 1536. We also get performance that's well above 30 fps here on the iPad at native resolution for the first time."

"Normalize to the same resolution and we see that the new PowerVR graphics setup is 57% faster than even ARM's Mali-T604 in the Nexus 10. Once again we're seeing just about 2x the performance of the previous generation iPad."

"The bar has been set for this generation and we've seen what ARM's latest GPU can do, now the question is whether or not NVIDIA will finally be able to challenge Imagination Technologies when it releases Wayne/Tegra 4 next year."




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smbu2000 said:

Well it looks like Anand took a look at the new GPU in the iPad 4. The quad core sgx554mp4 looks like it has double the power of the 543mp4 in the A5X (iPad 3). 76.8 gflops vs 38.4 gflops. 

Nexus 10 GPU scores are also in the charts.

The iPad 4 is king of the hill when it comes to GPU performance.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6426/ipad-4-gpu-performance-analyzed-powervr-sgx-554mp4-under-the-hood

"The A6X retains the 128-bit wide memory interface of the A5X (and it keeps the memory controller interface adjacent to the GPU cores and not the CPU cores as is the case in the A5/A6). It also integrates two of Apple's new Swift cores running at up to 1.4GHz (a slight increase from the 1.3GHz cores in the iPhone 5's A6). The big news today is what happens on the GPU side. A quick look at the GLBenchmark results for the new iPad 4 tells us all we need to know. The A6X moves to a newer GPU core: the PowerVR SGX 554."

 

"Throw in a more ALU heavy workload and we really start to see the advantage of the new GPU: almost double the performance in Egypt HD at 2048 x 1536. We also get performance that's well above 30 fps here on the iPad at native resolution for the first time."

"Normalize to the same resolution and we see that the new PowerVR graphics setup is 57% faster than even ARM's Mali-T604 in the Nexus 10. Once again we're seeing just about 2x the performance of the previous generation iPad."

"The bar has been set for this generation and we've seen what ARM's latest GPU can do, now the question is whether or not NVIDIA will finally be able to challenge Imagination Technologies when it releases Wayne/Tegra 4 next year."

Holy balls, I expected the Nexus 10 and iPad 4 to be neck-and-neck... I didn't expect to see the iPad destroy it entirely.

It will be interesting to see how other benchmarks test in the coming weeks.




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wow, PowerVR produces some mighty fine smartphone/tablet GPUs , nice

I still remember my first graphics card had a PowerVR2 back in the days :)



superchunk said:
famousringo said:
Being ignorant is okay. Being ignorant and acting knowledgable is not. If you're going to understand hardware, you should start by reading Anandtech. This iPhone 5 review has 5 or so pages on the A6, precisely because it isn't an A9-based SoC. Start here:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6330/the-iphone-5-review/4

Well, my mistake. Looks like is fully custom. I'll update this if/when there are true benchmarks comparing these units as I'm sure there will be.

Well, smbu2000 already posted the GPU benchmarks, but there are some CPU benchmarks of the Nexus 10 versus the iPhone 5 here:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6425/google-nexus-4-and-nexus-10-review

The CPU in the iPad 4 is apparently clocked at 1.4 GHz, so we can expect it will be ~8% faster than the iPhone 5 on those charts, but right now it looks like a wash. The Swift substantially outperforms the A15 in Sunspider and Browsermark, then turns around to take a clobbering in Google and Mozilla's benchmarks.

I'm hoping Anand can dig a little deeper and give us a look at the power profile of that A15.



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