Salivating at the surface pro though I'm unsure if I should get one or those new touch screen W8 laptops.
Salivating at the surface pro though I'm unsure if I should get one or those new touch screen W8 laptops.
rocketpig said:
You'll have a hard time convincing me that Windows is better than OSX. Inversely, you'll have a hard time convincing me that OSX is better than Windows. I prefer OSX because it allows me to work more quickly... My personal workflow environment in OSX is better than Win7. You can find pretty much any app you need for OSX now and the Terminal is a great addition, allowing you into the *nix core. The two platforms are pretty much the equal of each other... OS X has its advantages in some regards (more stability, security) while Windows has the advantage of running on pretty much everything (doubly so now that MS is pushing ARM architecture with RT). |
I'm sorry but stability and security haven't been an issue since Windows 7 was released. OS X has a little fewer vulnerabilities but a higher passes before a patch is released.
I find it quite amusing when apple people hype up that they can use a terminal emulator, which or its windows equivelant has been in use for ages. Hey, good for you!
| runqvist said: I'm sorry but stability and security haven't been an issue since Windows 7 was released. OS X has a little fewer vulnerabilities but a higher passes before a patch is released. I find it quite amusing when apple people hype up that they can use a terminal emulator, which or its windows equivelant has been in use for ages. Hey, good for you! |
OS X has had Terminal for over a decade now.
And while Win7 has drastically improved its stability and security, they're still below where OS X currently sits. Most of that is due to Apple controlling both hardware and software but no matter the reason, it's still the case. I've run in a Mac environment for 12 years now and my last position was sysadmin for a Windows-based environment... I've seen plenty of both OSes to know the flaws/strengths of each.
As I said, you'll have a hard time convincing me one is better than the other. It all depends on your personal requirements.
One thing I find interesting is how web-based industries have latched onto Mac over the past half-decade. I spend most of my time contracting as a front-end web developer to various Minneapolis development houses and at least 50% of the developers run Macs. I thought the first place I contracted was an aberration... Then the second was the same, as was the third. It was shocking.
But it makes sense when you think about it... Developing on a Mac gives you the most flexibility to do whatever you need. You can develop for every major platform on a Mac thanks to its ability to also boot Windows and Linux, something you'll struggle to do on a Windows-only machine.

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| runqvist said:
Office apps Email clients Photo editors Development software Those are pretty self explanatory. There isn't even a decent pdf software on android/ios. Ios has some carbage which adobe decided to dump for free, but that just sucks. Sooo many programs which are far superior on windows computers. That is to be expected from crappy tablets, but a definitive plus for surface pro.
When it comes to what tablets should do, at least in my opinion.
Games, ios/android crap vs windows games. Browsers, can't find a properly working one with all the plugins. Heck, a simple web page with java seems to be impossible for tablets. Streaming software. I know there is a sopcast-app for android but even that does not work all the time. On a windows computer, you can get everything. Video players, there are always some lame codec which won't work on any player or it works with software decoding and is choppy as hell.
Yeah, pretty much everything. |
Office apps I get, though mostly I don't understand anything more than powerpoint for a tablet. It would seem to me you would only ever want to do touchups on documents and spreadsheets while on the go on your tablet. Otherwise you would do your true work when at a desktop with an actual good keyboard and mouse and multiple screens. But again, yeah I understand the major appeal of a full office on the Windows Surface Pro.
Email clients not so much. The mobile web interfaces and most of the tablet email clients work just fine and dandy. I've lived inside gmail for so long now when I am forced look at exchange, it is a foreign unweildy beast with little to no good utility. I love that while im truly out and about, i.e. walking, I can quickly look at my phone to see notifications of emails I am getting. When I am at a meeting or otherwise not in my office/home office I can use my 7" tablet to read emails on a bigger screen than I would while I am walking. I don't tend to reply to emails while using my 7" but I can if its a short quick reply. Otherwise I do the bulk of emailing when I am in my office. When I am in my small office with just the 2 screens I use my tablet for an extra screen to see notifications, emails, todos, and such, but when an important email comes up I use my desktop for replies. When I get the Nexus 10 we will see if my habits change.
I would never do photo editing on a tablet unless its single button touchup stuff, in which case even an phone is good enough for that.
Development software. This is where I can see the most potential, yet I am a bit warry. Right now the only thing I use tablets for here is to see emails and notifications of particular projects. I am eager to see what I can do with the Nexus 10 here as I really like the idea of going to a meeting or traveling and being able to connect remotly with one of the servers to do some on the spot programming. However, I do see the potential to be able to do that with a Windows Surface Pro using a full featured IDE or vi, but only ever really on the spot programming. When I am doing heavy programming I want multiple monitors and a really good keyboard/mouse. As good as that surface keyboard is, there is a reason I don't like to program on laptops, it blows.
As for games, for truly mobile games I use my dedicated gaming device thanks. Tablets need never apply, even if they can run windows games. For sitting down gaming, I'll use a real desktop.
Browsers: Meh. For a quick look at something I am doing just fine with the slimmed down versions of chrome. I have felt no need or really want of a full featured browser on a tablet. Also Internet Explorer is _still_ a peice of shit and needs to die.
Streaming and Video I have never had problems with.
Ultimately I think the Windows Surface Pro with be an expensive laptop replacement that ultimately won't be able to do the job very well.
I guess this is enough for me on this topic. As "last words" I would like give you something to think about. A vgchartz meme "software sells the hardware, not the other way around". I think that at least superchunk is familiar with that meme.
| runqvist said: I guess this is enough for me on this topic. As "last words" I would like give you something to think about. A vgchartz meme "software sells the hardware, not the other way around". I think that at least superchunk is familiar with that meme. |
And where is software development heading?
iOS and Android.
I've run and set up many websites over the past 10 years and what has happened over the past five years (since the introduction of iPhone) is startling.
In 2006, my typical site traffic broke down like this:
Windows OS - 94%
Mac OS - 4%
Linux/Other - 2%
Today, my largest site (around a million hits a month during peak months) breaks down like this:
Windows OS - 60%
iOS - 15%
Mac OS - 13%
Android - 8%
Other (Blackberry, WinPhone, Linux, etc) - 4%
Five years. Five years and Windows has dropped 30% of site traffic. That's not a huge drop... That's a catastrophic drop if you're Microsoft.
And Android is barely getting going (and iOS still has plenty of room to grow). By this time next year, I expect to see a full 30% of my traffic come from Android/iOS.

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smbu2000 said:
Well I was checking out the prices for the Nexus 10 here in Japan and it's 36,800 yen (16gb) or 44,800 yen (32gb) a difference of 8,000 yen between the two. (~$100 USD), which is the price difference Apple uses as well when adding storage. (Base 16gb ipad retina is 42,800 yen) What's strange is that for the Nexus 7, Google charges either 19,800 yen (16gb) or 24,800 yen (32gb) a difference of 5,000 yen for the storage upgrade. (~$62 USD) These prices are from the Google Play Store. I wonder why they charge more to upgrade the storage space on the Nexus 10 compared to the Nexus 7? The N7 came out first as well. The limited storage is just a real turn off. I know some people say "I can just stream what I need.", but streaming uses up your data as well as your battery. (cellular antennas use more power compared to wifi or having the data locally) |
For some reason, stuff tends to cost more in Japan than even Europe. But I don't know why.
But how can limited storage be a turn off for you when you got an ipad to put your music on, i'm sorry but you can't say that if you have an ipad.
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Prediction: Switch 2 will outsell the PS5 by 2030
| rocketpig said: And where is software development heading? iOS and Android. I've run and set up many websites over the past 10 years and what has happened over the past five years (since the introduction of iPhone) is startling. In 2006, my typical site traffic broke down like this: Today, my largest site (around a million hits a month during peak months) breaks down like this: Five years. Five years and Windows has dropped 30% of site traffic. That's not a huge drop... That's a catastrophic drop if you're Microsoft. And Android is barely getting going (and iOS still has plenty of room to grow). By this time next year, I expect to see a full 30% of my traffic come from Android/iOS. |
That's very interesting stats. Just had a look around and it seems that over the last 2 years, mobile-based web hits (mobile+tablet) has jumped from around 2% to 10%. That is a huge increase. And of that 10%, 60% are iOS based.
It does seem to tie in with the release of the iPad, that has seen this surge in mobile-based web hits and it seems that over the next few years we will see a huge move on the stats and I wouldn't be surprised to see the 10% pushing 25-30% with the tech based around new phones and tablets.
Prediction (June 12th 2017)
Permanent pricedrop for both PS4 Slim and PS4 Pro in October.
PS4 Slim $249 (October 2017)
PS4 Pro $349 (October 2017)
| davygee said: That's very interesting stats. Just had a look around and it seems that over the last 2 years, mobile-based web hits (mobile+tablet) has jumped from around 2% to 10%. That is a huge increase. And of that 10%, 60% are iOS based. It does seem to tie in with the release of the iPad, that has seen this surge in mobile-based web hits and it seems that over the next few years we will see a huge move on the stats and I wouldn't be surprised to see the 10% pushing 25-30% with the tech based around new phones and tablets. |
Yep. My site is off-season right now so the traffic is fluctuating (and therefore, the stats are somewhat unreliable) but during the peak season, mobile browsers (iOS/Android) were gaining over half a percentage point a month, sometimes a full percentage point. They went from ~15% in early 2012 to ~23% in the course of 5-6 months.
That's insane.
As a side note, I know a lot of application developers (figures, being that I'm a web developer myself). I know at least five groups of people who are working on mobile applications for either iOS, Android, or both.
I don't know a single person who is working on a Windows or Mac application. All the money is in mobile right now and people are flocking to it in huge numbers.

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rocketpig said:
And where is software development heading? iOS and Android. I've run and set up many websites over the past 10 years and what has happened over the past five years (since the introduction of iPhone) is startling. In 2006, my typical site traffic broke down like this: Today, my largest site (around a million hits a month during peak months) breaks down like this: Five years. Five years and Windows has dropped 30% of site traffic. That's not a huge drop... That's a catastrophic drop if you're Microsoft. And Android is barely getting going (and iOS still has plenty of room to grow). By this time next year, I expect to see a full 30% of my traffic come from Android/iOS. |
Oh man, such a fanboy post.
First post an anecdote, from your own site which you do not bother to link. A link for those statistics would be also nice. You know, like we would have something concrete to analyse.
Also, have you even considered why ms is entering the tablet race? They want a slice of the market. If and when (imo) ms deals a crushing blow to android/ios on this market, do you think that there will be a) more software developed for android/ios or b) less software developed for androidIios? In case your answer is a, I would like to hear how do you figure that out?
I take that you don't have a magic crystal ball that tells you the future?
Some links to some statistics:
http://gs.statcounter.com/#os-ww-monthly-201110-201210
http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10