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VGKing on 29 October 2012
Soriku said:
VGKing said:
noname2200 said:
What are these Western handheld games you refer to?


Assassin's Creed and Call of Duty coming to Vita in the next couple of weeks. LittleBigPlanet is out so is Uncharted and a bunch of other games. There's also a Bioshock game promised for the system.

Anyway I think what OP fails to see is that Vita owners love Japanese games just as much(if not more) than western games. Look at Gravity Rush. Got great reception from fans and critics. Look at pre-orders....that Persona game is doing extremely well. Much better than Assassin's Creed.

Can the Vita start outselling the 3DS? I say its impossible in Japan. Possible in the West but still unlikely.


I just checked this, and...yeah. That's really, really unlikely lol. Persona 4 on the PS2 sold 110k (VGC has it mega overtracked) in NA. As much as seeing a Persona game beat out a game like AC would be awesome, there's no way the game on the Vita will eclipse the sales on the PS2. Persona 4 Arena only sold 50k in NPD for its first month according to NPD and that's on PS3/360.

Well there is a lack of Japanese games on Vita, people take what they can get.



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VGKing on 29 October 2012
Teriol said:
sperrico87 said:

It is very, very unlikely that Vita will ever come close to 3DS's sales in the west. Historical precedent doesn't support your theory, and there is no indication that Vita is suddenly going to pick up and 3DS is going to inexplicably slow down. 3DS is getting stronger, particularly now that Nintendo has been releasing one big first-party title roughly every eight weeks to keep the momentum up. 3DS sales the first half of 2013 in America are likely to be even stronger than early 2012... Luigi's Mansion, Fire Emblem, MH3 Ultimate, and Animal Crossing all within six months. Does Vita have much of anything big coming that's been announced post-2012?

vita doesnt have nothing really bigger announced even for next year...


E3 2013. Nuff said.

The next Call of Duty or FIFA aren't announced yet for PS3/360, but they'll be the biggest sellers of the year.



MANUELF on 29 October 2012
NightDragon83 said:
No way. The Vita will be lucky if it can even come close to PSP sales levels in the West. 3DS will pick up steam during the holidays and the next time there's a price drop for it here in the West.

Remember... the original DS launched at a modest $129.99, and stayed around that price point for the duration of its life. When 3DS launched it was just as expensive as the Vita, and had hardly any compelling games other than 3D remakes of old N64 games. As soon as Nintendo finally gets around to launching the next generation of Pokemon games on the 3DS, it's game over for Sony and the Vita.

Actually it launched at $149.99 and it got a price cut with the DS lite 

OT: If you can tell me what announced games will be able to reverse the tides we have a discussion



Nintendoninja on 29 October 2012

The OP is correct to emphasize the games, since that always determines the winner. However, I'm not sure what is meant by Westernized games.

If he means games made by western devs, then the 3DS will have both Scribblenauts Unlimited and a new Epic Mickey this holiday. Sure, they don't have the name recognition of Call of Duty or Assassin's Creed, but one is from a franchise that is a proven hit on handhelds and the other features a timeless mascot and inspiration from a beloved 16-bit game.

If he means games in the action genre favored by western devs, then I'll concede that the Vita has more of those, but I'm not sure that's an advantage. Sony introduced the Vita as the way to finally play console-style games on the go without first making sure that it's what people want. The Vita has no shortage of such games, some of them high-profile, yet not one of them has sold 1 million yet according to VGC. Historically, the most successful genres on handhelds are puzzle, platformer, and rpg. On handhelds, it's usually better to have a Prof. Layton or Paper Mario on your side than an Uncharted or Assassin's Creed.

Finally, let's not forget that there is already a 2D Mario and a Pokemon game available this year. Even a few months old and/or developed for an older platform, both have proven to be huge guns in Nintendo's arsenal, especially during holidays. Combine this with the fact that the Vita's known line-up for 2013 is made of smaller or untested IPs, I don't think Nintendo will have to worry too much.



saicho on 29 October 2012
JoeTheBro said:
I agree with what you mean but not with what people think you mean.

Last gen the DS's strongest market was America. Japan was good for the PSP. This gen it will swap with the 3DS doing its best in Japan while the Vita will do best in the west. This has nothing to do with 3DS verse Vita sales.

this doesn't make any sense. By units sold, Europe was the best market for both DS and PSP.



MikeB predicts that the PS3 will sell about 140 million units by the end of 2016 and triple the amount of 360s in the long run.

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arcane_chaos on 29 October 2012

As an owner of the both a Vita and 3DS; from my perspective the Vita has my attention much more than my 3DS.

at the moment for the 3DS I own(owned) Eight games since launch:
Samaria Warrior Chronicles
Super Street Fighter 3D
Resident Evil: Mercenaries
Resident Evil Revelations
Super Mario 3D land
Mario Kart 7
Tales of the Abyss
Kingdom Hearts 3D

and for my Vita I'm the track to surpassing that amount in it's first year.
Uncharted Golden Abyss
Unit 13
Resistance Burning Skies
Gravity Rush
Ninja Gaiden Sigma Plus
Super Stardust Delta
LBP Vita

and I will be getting(all paid off)
Ragnorak Odyssey
Persona 4: The Golden
AC: Liberations

The Vita does have the games(imo) unfortunately the games don't have the notoriety of the games the 3DS has, hopefully Sony puts the effort into the Vita like they did with the PS3, the Vita has alot of potential, hopefully the holiday season will be generous for the vita and along with an early price cut(hopefully) will keep the vita rolling






gunslinger on 29 October 2012

Yeah, but 99% of those $1-$5 ios games suck ass.  That is not true gaming.  If it is, i will no longer be a gamer.



JoeTheBro on 30 October 2012
saicho said:
JoeTheBro said:
I agree with what you mean but not with what people think you mean.

Last gen the DS's strongest market was America. Japan was good for the PSP. This gen it will swap with the 3DS doing its best in Japan while the Vita will do best in the west. This has nothing to do with 3DS verse Vita sales.

this doesn't make any sense. By units sold, Europe was the best market for both DS and PSP.


Europe lol? Obviously that third country is excluded from this thread.



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theRepublic on 31 October 2012
spurgeonryan said:
To counter that what willnmake the 3DS turn around in the West? You got to admit that the vita seems poised to have a lot of Westernized games. While the 3DS has already showed us its cards. Why wouldn't the west choose the vita?

Do Western games even matter that much in the handheld market?  What Western developer really puts effort into that market?  I don't really follow the handheld market as much as consoles, so I could be mistaken.  But my impression is that most handheld games from Western developers are all either ports or another tie-in with the real game, which is on the consoles and/or PC.



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Panama on 31 October 2012

Even with the lack of games in the 3DS's Western library, it still ships as many units as Japan. I don't see it happening. Even a FF7 remake or Gran Turismo wouldn't help the Vita reach current 3DS numbers. Sony need something amazing up their sleeve with regard to cloud gaming and PS4 integration with the Vita to pull anything off.