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Mazty said:
Anari said:
Mazty said:

Not according to Reggie. Again, I'm going to go with what Reggie has to say on this subject. 
You think you know better then Reggie. I doubt you do. That is all. 


LOL dude. Reggie calls games like Zelda and Metroid core games in that very link you posted. He didn't say Nintendo doesn't make core games. He said Nintendo doesn't make the kind of core games that third parties do. 

The other guy was right to bail out on you. You're just taking him around in circles.

"We want fantastic content for that more active player who loves Metroid or Zelda [..] and we also recognize that we don't create that type of content ourselves.We're not good at it and it's not a key focus area."

Nintendo are not good at core games, nor did they focus on them. Reggie has literally said that. Two titles is next to nothing. The Wii was not aimed at core gamers and has cost them customer retention. If you won't accept that, you are arguing with Reggie, not me. 

 

Does Nintendo make games like COD, Battlefield, Bioshock? No. MS and Sony do, but Nintendo don't and those types of games are popular with core gamers that they want to attract with WiiU.

Just because Reggie only mentioned two titles doesn't mean that's the only core franchises they have. WTF...

Play4Fun listed some games for you that you seemed to ignore and he also got another quote of Reggie's:

"So we’ll continue to have all the family-friendly fare like Nintendo Land and New Super Mario Brothers U… but in addition, we’re going to have more active gamer content, which was something that was missing other than from Nintendo’s first party titles."

Notice what he says ? That Nintendo provided core first party titles for Wii. It's 3rd party core titles that they were lacking and are now looking to get with WIi U. It wasn't all just Wiifits, Wiimusic, Wiisports, NSMBWII or whatever that Nintendo released on Wii, there was also SMG, DKCR, Smash Bros, Sin and Punishment, Punch Out, Zelda TP & SS, Metroid, last Story, XenoBlade. It's pretty stupid to try to argue that those games are casual games. Use your common sense.

 Before you drag me into an argument and make me waste my time too, I'm going to ask you, what is the definition of a core game? 




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Anari said:
Mazty said:
Anari said:
Mazty said:

Not according to Reggie. Again, I'm going to go with what Reggie has to say on this subject. 
You think you know better then Reggie. I doubt you do. That is all. 


LOL dude. Reggie calls games like Zelda and Metroid core games in that very link you posted. He didn't say Nintendo doesn't make core games. He said Nintendo doesn't make the kind of core games that third parties do. 

The other guy was right to bail out on you. You're just taking him around in circles.

"We want fantastic content for that more active player who loves Metroid or Zelda [..] and we also recognize that we don't create that type of content ourselves.We're not good at it and it's not a key focus area."

Nintendo are not good at core games, nor did they focus on them. Reggie has literally said that. Two titles is next to nothing. The Wii was not aimed at core gamers and has cost them customer retention. If you won't accept that, you are arguing with Reggie, not me. 

 

Does Nintendo make games like COD, Battlefield, Bioshock? No. MS and Sony do, but Nintendo don't and those types of games are popular with core gamers that they want to attract with WiiU.

Just because Reggie only mentioned two titles doesn't mean that's the only core franchises they have. WTF...

Play4Fun listed some games for you that you seemed to ignore and he also got another quote of Reggie's:

"So we’ll continue to have all the family-friendly fare like Nintendo Land and New Super Mario Brothers U… but in addition, we’re going to have more active gamer content, which was something that was missing other than from Nintendo’s first party titles."

Notice what he says ? That Nintendo provided core first party titles for Wii. It's 3rd party core titles that they were lacking and are now looking to get with WIi U. It wasn't all just Wiifits, Wiimusic, Wiisports, NSMBWII or whatever that Nintendo released on Wii, there was also SMG, DKCR, Smash Bros, Sin and Punishment, Punch Out, Zelda TP & SS, Metroid, last Story, XenoBlade. It's pretty stupid to try to argue that those games are casual games. Use your common sense.

 Before you drag me into an argument and make me waste my time too, I'm going to ask you, what is the definition of a core game? 


Reggie already said that the core games Nintendo does is Zelda and Metroid. If Nintendo had many core franchises Reggie wouldn't have said they were no good at making core games....It's that simple. Unless you are telling me he got it wrong; is that the case? 

What I deem as a core game is irrelevant because I never made the claim that Nintendo are no good at core games. 

Remember i'm not saying the Nintendo are bad at making core games, I'm quoting Reggie.

 



Mazty said:
Anari said:
Mazty said:
Anari said:
Mazty said:

Not according to Reggie. Again, I'm going to go with what Reggie has to say on this subject. 
You think you know better then Reggie. I doubt you do. That is all. 


LOL dude. Reggie calls games like Zelda and Metroid core games in that very link you posted. He didn't say Nintendo doesn't make core games. He said Nintendo doesn't make the kind of core games that third parties do. 

The other guy was right to bail out on you. You're just taking him around in circles.

"We want fantastic content for that more active player who loves Metroid or Zelda [..] and we also recognize that we don't create that type of content ourselves.We're not good at it and it's not a key focus area."

Nintendo are not good at core games, nor did they focus on them. Reggie has literally said that. Two titles is next to nothing. The Wii was not aimed at core gamers and has cost them customer retention. If you won't accept that, you are arguing with Reggie, not me. 

 

Does Nintendo make games like COD, Battlefield, Bioshock? No. MS and Sony do, but Nintendo don't and those types of games are popular with core gamers that they want to attract with WiiU.

Just because Reggie only mentioned two titles doesn't mean that's the only core franchises they have. WTF...

Play4Fun listed some games for you that you seemed to ignore and he also got another quote of Reggie's:

"So we’ll continue to have all the family-friendly fare like Nintendo Land and New Super Mario Brothers U… but in addition, we’re going to have more active gamer content, which was something that was missing other than from Nintendo’s first party titles."

Notice what he says ? That Nintendo provided core first party titles for Wii. It's 3rd party core titles that they were lacking and are now looking to get with WIi U. It wasn't all just Wiifits, Wiimusic, Wiisports, NSMBWII or whatever that Nintendo released on Wii, there was also SMG, DKCR, Smash Bros, Sin and Punishment, Punch Out, Zelda TP & SS, Metroid, last Story, XenoBlade. It's pretty stupid to try to argue that those games are casual games. Use your common sense.

 Before you drag me into an argument and make me waste my time too, I'm going to ask you, what is the definition of a core game? 


Reggie already said that the core games Nintendo does is Zelda and Metroid. If Nintendo had many core franchises Reggie wouldn't have said they were no good at making core games....It's that simple. Unless you are telling me he got it wrong; is that the case? 

What I deem as a core game is irrelevant because I never made the claim that Nintendo are no good at core games. 

Remember i'm not saying the Nintendo are bad at making core games, I'm quoting Reggie.

 

O.M.F.G.!!!

 Just because Reggie mentioned only Zelda and Metroid doesn't mean that's the only ones they have. Was he suppose to start listing games in  an interview? Common sense, dude.

And Reggie did not say Nintendo are bad at making core games. He said Nintendo aren't good at making the kind of games 3rd parties do and he used Bioshock as an example.

Have you not noticed that Nintendo doesn't have any franchise like Sony's KillZone/UC or MS' Halo/GeOW? 

How many times does this have to be repeated to you?

Why can't you ever admit when you are wrong on something? No one will think less of you for it. Instead you keep repeating the same thing and apply all kinds of twists of logic to keep arguing. I just went to the E6760 thread and you are doing the exact same thing there.



Mazty said:

Reggie already said that the core games Nintendo does is Zelda and Metroid.

That straw you are grasping at already broke the camels back a few posts ago.  

You can stop now.



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phenom08 said:
VGKing said:
MDMAlliance said:
Looking at the Wii U and what people are predicting what Sony and Microsoft will do with their next gen consoles, I am curious as what would be in store for us the generation after Wii U. It is quite evident by console history that power is not everything. By the time it is the next generation for consoles, maybe we will see ourselves out of a recession? Think we might see more systems like the Ouya popping up? Will iOS gaming (app gaming and whatever) really replace the handheld dedicated gaming consoles?
The Wii U, regardless of all this positive/negative news, is a system I am still interested in and am planning on getting.


Power is becoming increasingly important these days. Look at what happened to the Wii.

Consoles needs A LOT more power so they can really distance themselves from those free iOS games. It's the only way $60 retail boxed games can continue to lead the industry. I dread a day where free games like Angry Birds or Temple Run dominate the gaming industry.

Yep the lack of power got it 97 million units in sales. Should have been weaker.

Don't try being a smartbutt. :D

Yes, Wii sales are impressive, but 3rd party support isn't. Look at the biggest franchises of this generation. Most of them aren't on the Wii. The ones that are(like Call of Duty) are extremely dumbed-down.

Now, things seem to be better for Wii U, it all depends on how these games sell. Everyone knows that Nintendo 1st party games cannabalize everything else. It is a family oriented console and I don't think that's going to change anytime soon.



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Soundwave said:
Mazty said:
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The important part of that article was completely missed.

"Chief Executive Officer Satoru Iwata, 52, reduced the full- year net income forecast 70 percent "

Nintendo are finally getting bitten for continuing bad market practise in an evolving market.


I think they were betting heavily on NSMB2 + 3DS XL skyrocketing the 3DS especially in the US, but from the report, Iwata sounds a bit frustrated that they can't get the US market going, especially relative to the fact that it's 3x-4x the market size of Japan.


Nintendo doesn't have much to worry about. Imagine how how stressed the guys at Sony are right now.

So what? The 3DS won't sell as much as DS. Bo-hoo. I say sales are healthy and they will only increase over time.



Viper1 said:
Mazty said:

Reggie already said that the core games Nintendo does is Zelda and Metroid.

That straw you are grasping at already broke the camels back a few posts ago.  

You can stop now.

*facepalm*

I'm not making this claim - I'm just repeating what Reggie said. You are all arguing with the head of Nintendo. Do you all think you know better then him?



Anari said:
Mazty said:
Anari said:
Mazty said:
Anari said:
Mazty said:

Not according to Reggie. Again, I'm going to go with what Reggie has to say on this subject. 
You think you know better then Reggie. I doubt you do. That is all. 


LOL dude. Reggie calls games like Zelda and Metroid core games in that very link you posted. He didn't say Nintendo doesn't make core games. He said Nintendo doesn't make the kind of core games that third parties do. 

The other guy was right to bail out on you. You're just taking him around in circles.

"We want fantastic content for that more active player who loves Metroid or Zelda [..] and we also recognize that we don't create that type of content ourselves.We're not good at it and it's not a key focus area."

Nintendo are not good at core games, nor did they focus on them. Reggie has literally said that. Two titles is next to nothing. The Wii was not aimed at core gamers and has cost them customer retention. If you won't accept that, you are arguing with Reggie, not me. 

 

Does Nintendo make games like COD, Battlefield, Bioshock? No. MS and Sony do, but Nintendo don't and those types of games are popular with core gamers that they want to attract with WiiU.

Just because Reggie only mentioned two titles doesn't mean that's the only core franchises they have. WTF...

Play4Fun listed some games for you that you seemed to ignore and he also got another quote of Reggie's:

"So we’ll continue to have all the family-friendly fare like Nintendo Land and New Super Mario Brothers U… but in addition, we’re going to have more active gamer content, which was something that was missing other than from Nintendo’s first party titles."

Notice what he says ? That Nintendo provided core first party titles for Wii. It's 3rd party core titles that they were lacking and are now looking to get with WIi U. It wasn't all just Wiifits, Wiimusic, Wiisports, NSMBWII or whatever that Nintendo released on Wii, there was also SMG, DKCR, Smash Bros, Sin and Punishment, Punch Out, Zelda TP & SS, Metroid, last Story, XenoBlade. It's pretty stupid to try to argue that those games are casual games. Use your common sense.

 Before you drag me into an argument and make me waste my time too, I'm going to ask you, what is the definition of a core game? 


Reggie already said that the core games Nintendo does is Zelda and Metroid. If Nintendo had many core franchises Reggie wouldn't have said they were no good at making core games....It's that simple. Unless you are telling me he got it wrong; is that the case? 

What I deem as a core game is irrelevant because I never made the claim that Nintendo are no good at core games. 

Remember i'm not saying the Nintendo are bad at making core games, I'm quoting Reggie.

 

O.M.F.G.!!!

 Just because Reggie mentioned only Zelda and Metroid doesn't mean that's the only ones they have. Was he suppose to start listing games in  an interview? Common sense, dude.

And Reggie did not say Nintendo are bad at making core games. He said Nintendo aren't good at making the kind of games 3rd parties do and he used Bioshock as an example.

Have you not noticed that Nintendo doesn't have any franchise like Sony's KillZone/UC or MS' Halo/GeOW? 

How many times does this have to be repeated to you?

Why can't you ever admit when you are wrong on something? No one will think less of you for it. Instead you keep repeating the same thing and apply all kinds of twists of logic to keep arguing. I just went to the E6760 thread and you are doing the exact same thing there.

Reggie said:

"We also recognize that we [Nintendo] don't create that type of content [core games] ourselves. We're not good at it and it's not a key focus area."

Are you saying Reggie was wrong and that Nintendo infact are good at making core content? You are arguing with the Reg, not me. 



VGKing said:

Don't try being a smartbutt. :D

Yes, Wii sales are impressive, but 3rd party support isn't.

So what do you conclude from these two statements?



Mazty said:
Anari said:
Mazty said:
Anari said:
Mazty said:
Anari said:
Mazty said:

Not according to Reggie. Again, I'm going to go with what Reggie has to say on this subject. 
You think you know better then Reggie. I doubt you do. That is all. 


LOL dude. Reggie calls games like Zelda and Metroid core games in that very link you posted. He didn't say Nintendo doesn't make core games. He said Nintendo doesn't make the kind of core games that third parties do. 

The other guy was right to bail out on you. You're just taking him around in circles.

"We want fantastic content for that more active player who loves Metroid or Zelda [..] and we also recognize that we don't create that type of content ourselves.We're not good at it and it's not a key focus area."

Nintendo are not good at core games, nor did they focus on them. Reggie has literally said that. Two titles is next to nothing. The Wii was not aimed at core gamers and has cost them customer retention. If you won't accept that, you are arguing with Reggie, not me. 

 

Does Nintendo make games like COD, Battlefield, Bioshock? No. MS and Sony do, but Nintendo don't and those types of games are popular with core gamers that they want to attract with WiiU.

Just because Reggie only mentioned two titles doesn't mean that's the only core franchises they have. WTF...

Play4Fun listed some games for you that you seemed to ignore and he also got another quote of Reggie's:

"So we’ll continue to have all the family-friendly fare like Nintendo Land and New Super Mario Brothers U… but in addition, we’re going to have more active gamer content, which was something that was missing other than from Nintendo’s first party titles."

Notice what he says ? That Nintendo provided core first party titles for Wii. It's 3rd party core titles that they were lacking and are now looking to get with WIi U. It wasn't all just Wiifits, Wiimusic, Wiisports, NSMBWII or whatever that Nintendo released on Wii, there was also SMG, DKCR, Smash Bros, Sin and Punishment, Punch Out, Zelda TP & SS, Metroid, last Story, XenoBlade. It's pretty stupid to try to argue that those games are casual games. Use your common sense.

 Before you drag me into an argument and make me waste my time too, I'm going to ask you, what is the definition of a core game? 


Reggie already said that the core games Nintendo does is Zelda and Metroid. If Nintendo had many core franchises Reggie wouldn't have said they were no good at making core games....It's that simple. Unless you are telling me he got it wrong; is that the case? 

What I deem as a core game is irrelevant because I never made the claim that Nintendo are no good at core games. 

Remember i'm not saying the Nintendo are bad at making core games, I'm quoting Reggie.

 

O.M.F.G.!!!

 Just because Reggie mentioned only Zelda and Metroid doesn't mean that's the only ones they have. Was he suppose to start listing games in  an interview? Common sense, dude.

And Reggie did not say Nintendo are bad at making core games. He said Nintendo aren't good at making the kind of games 3rd parties do and he used Bioshock as an example.

Have you not noticed that Nintendo doesn't have any franchise like Sony's KillZone/UC or MS' Halo/GeOW? 

How many times does this have to be repeated to you?

Why can't you ever admit when you are wrong on something? No one will think less of you for it. Instead you keep repeating the same thing and apply all kinds of twists of logic to keep arguing. I just went to the E6760 thread and you are doing the exact same thing there.

Reggie said:

"We also recognize that we [Nintendo] don't create that type of content [core games] ourselves. We're not good at it and it's not a key focus area."

Are you saying Reggie was wrong and that Nintendo infact are good at making core content? You are arguing with the Reg, not me. 


Honestly though with this philosophy Nintendo's never going to be anything but the third place option for core/hardcore IP.

Microsoft and Sony simply focus on this way more, Nintendo's attitude is "we'll sign a third party deal or two", which usually ends up blowing up in their face (ie: RE4 on PS2) because third parties have to take care of their own interests first and foremost.