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DanneSandin on 09 October 2012
pezus said:
DanneSandin said:
WindyCityHeat said:
What is he supposed to say, It will fail like the wii failed... Yeah his job is to be positive.

Lets just get this thing released then after a few.months it'll be clear what the situation is lol.

Oh, shit! Have you called for an ambulance or anything?! If you have medication you really should take it, like, right now!! I think you're ill =/ you're hallucinating mate! Wii WON the gen and didn't fail at all. You really should have a seat and take some deep breaths.... Maybe that'll clear things up for you

Wii didn't fail as a console, but it failed to get proper 3rd party support. I'm guessing that's what he meant.

Well, considering that Ubisoft have said themselves that 42% of their revenue came from Nintendo consoles. I'd say that isn't failing... And to say that WiiU will fail to get proper 3rd party support is plain stupid. ZombiU, Rayman, Rabbids, Bayo2, Wonderful 101, Darksiders2, CoD BO2 isn't failing. And then we got Monster Hunter and Dragon Quest as launch titles in Japan. That's the 3rd party support that will win Japan for Nintendo. So they're far from failing, which means that WindyCityHearts statement is BS.



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ryuzaki57 on 09 October 2012
Chandler said:
ryuzaki57 said:
Chandler said:
ryuzaki57 said:
Chandler said:
Soundwave said:
Chandler said:
How many third party exclusives did the PS3 and Xbox360 get? Especially in the last 2 years? The Wii U already has like 10 of them in their launch window alone, excluding any digital exclusives of course. Admittedly, some of them get published by Nintendo but it's contract work with third parties, MS and Sony could do the same. People wanted Nintendo to step up and it looks like they did.


Launch window in the long term is somewhat inconsequential.

The key period for the Wii U is what happens afterwards.

You don't need a 1000 exclusives like I said. But 3-4 Bayonetta 2 sized exclusives every year from year 2-4 of the console cycle are important, and these exclusives should be "demographic broadening" .... meaning not "Mario _____".

Once Nintendo can get that they'll be OK, but until they do they're always going to have this problem with droughts. They haven't had a single console that had a really steady flow of content since the SNES, and that was 20 years ago now.


It would be nice if you could list the 3-4 Bayonetta sized third party exclusives that the PS3 and Xbox360 got every year until now because I have a feeling those are some very unrealistic expectations concerning Nintendo that not even the other two could satisfy.

You don't get it. This is not PS3vs360vsWiiU, it's WiiU vs the rest of th world. Nintendo has to get gamers back. PS3 and 360 are already installed on the market and every game not releasing on WiiU (Dishonored, Medal of Honor Warfighter, Tomb Raider, etc. there are about 40 major games like that) is a reason to pick a PS3 or a 360 rather than a WiiU. WiiU needs many (not just 2 or 3) Bayonetta 2-sized exclusives if it wants to resist the overwhelming flow of PS360 games in 2013.

Btw, isn't the US getting the ZombiU bundle? Reggie said two bundles.

This may be true for now, but both Sony and MS have to launch new consoles in the upcoming years and they do need to distinguish themselves from the competition. I just don't think it's fair to say that it's enough for Sony and MS to roll with the multiplats but Nintendo needs to invest in an unreasonable amount of exclusives to stay afloat. There are not many people surfing the web on their consoles so it's reasonable to expect most people to own a PC (1). And PC+Wii U is a more desirable combination over PS3+PC (2) or 360+PC in my opinion due to much less overlap.

I'm not saying Nintendo doesn't need exclusives but I think Nintendo shouldn't be singled out on this topic.

(1) Few of those actually have a PC that can run major games like Battlefield 3 or Crysis 3. People don't automatically get the most powerful PC in the shop. They are more like to buy a reasonably cheap PC as long as it meets their basics needs (surfing, working, etc.). People who have that kind of strong PC are PC gamers first who care little about consoles to begin with. 

(2) Not necessarily. With PC+WiiU, you miss the super-majority of japanese RPGs (Lightning Returns, Tales of Xillia 1&2, etc.) and I don't remember the PC version of Rising Revengeance and Ground Zeroes being confirmed either.

My PC is 2 years old and I paid sub 500€ back then and it can run everything PS360 can but better. There is practically no computer today that couldn't run PS360 quality games. That's not a high end PC at all. I'm pretty sure I could get another 500€ PC in 2 years that could run all the PS720 games just fine.

Your second point is list wars. Of course there will be some games that people will miss out on but it could very well shift. Wii U could ensure with Monster Hunter and Dragon Quest that the majority of JRPG's shift back in Nintendo's direction. Ground Zeroes could very well go multiplat including Wii U and so could Rising. But even if not, I might have to cry myself to sleep not playing those games and settle for Bayonetta 2 and The Wonderful 101 instead. There will alwqays be games you are missing out on if you don't own all consoles but in my opinion, if you skip the Nintendo console, you are missing a lot more, especially with the Wii U if aou look how things are shaping up right now.

Sony has equal chance to win back Bayonetta or Monster Hunter. And I personnally have the feeling I would lose more whithout a PS3. Those things are purely circumstancial.



 

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happydolphin on 09 October 2012
rutea7 said:

yes i'll always say it and i'll stick to it cause so far i'm unimpressed and i like to be careful where i spend my money. most of the games i buy and i'm interested in for the ps3 are 3rd party exclusives. i dont care for the 1st party titles that much i only have a few. so if i see another system getting the games i want i'll obviously be insterested in that system.

nintendo tends to make a lot of promises but so far i'll wait and see. i think it will need a bigger hdd or an external storage solution if it gets a good digital market. so far i like the hardware but i need to see good support from the companies i care about of course.

i didnt buy my ps3 until 2009 cause i was waiting for the games and i'll stick to that philosophy for any console.

Makes sense. So the companies you care about, to answer my question a bit, what are they and what games would make you interested in the U?

Also, as for promises, it should be pretty clear that Nintendo has been filling its share of promises. They said they would cater to the core, the WiiU launch is anything but lackluster, the console comes in 2 SKUs, just like the HD twins, with a full Internet framework and online store, and even boasts a pro controller "just in case", because core gamers are finicky. So I think promises are on Nintendo's side atm, then again it's your money and I fully understand that.



Chandler on 09 October 2012
ryuzaki57 said:

Sony has equal chance to win back Bayonetta or Monster Hunter. And I personnally have the feeling I would lose more whithout a PS3. Those things are purely circumstancial.


Thats why I said "in my opinion". There's a slim chance that Bayonetta could go back to being Multiplat IF the game is a success on the Wii U. But if it fails again, Bayonetta will be dead for good.



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VicViper on 09 October 2012

Look how wii U can be cool:
Seriously, I was zero interested in this game, but look how much they can add, just by being creative

Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed – Wii U details
October 9th, 2012 Posted in News, Posted by Austin, Wii U | No Comments »

New details about Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed on Wii U are as follows:

- By default, the Gamepad displays a map
- Touch a racer’s icon to get a real-time stream of that racer’s perspective
- Lift the gamepad in line with the television to display a rear-view mirror
- Five-player split screen confirmed
- Multiple asymmetric gameplay modes added
- One of these modes has Wiimote players collecting bananas in an arena and the Gamepad player trying to squash them as Monkey Ball’s “Ai Ai”
- Another one has the Gamepad player playing as Shinobi, chasing the other players around to tag them and turn them into Shinobi as well
- Two versions of the Wii U version: One is regular, one has Metal Sonic as a playable character and a bonus racetrack based on “OutRun”

 

I simply love the idea of split screen... but without actually spliting the screen



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Kenology on 09 October 2012
DanneSandin said:
VicViper said:

He is right, imo.

Wii's main problem was not exactly power. It was resolution. Games look awful in modern TVs not because they're awful, but because they can't display the way they should. Since there won't be any improvement in TVs for the near or even long future, Wii U is fine. And if Wii and gamecube can look like this on Dolphin... imagine Wii U.

(gamecube, really impressive)

Man, that looks sooooo good!!! I espacially want XenoBlade in HD - looks gorgeous!!!

Yes.  These screens are amazingly scrumptious.

If Nintendo re-released Xenoblade HD, I'd double dip in a heartbeat.



DanneSandin on 09 October 2012
Kenology said:
DanneSandin said:
VicViper said:

He is right, imo.

Wii's main problem was not exactly power. It was resolution. Games look awful in modern TVs not because they're awful, but because they can't display the way they should. Since there won't be any improvement in TVs for the near or even long future, Wii U is fine. And if Wii and gamecube can look like this on Dolphin... imagine Wii U.

(gamecube, really impressive)

Man, that looks sooooo good!!! I espacially want XenoBlade in HD - looks gorgeous!!!

Yes.  These screens are amazingly scrumptious.

If Nintendo re-released Xenoblade HD, I'd double dip in a heartbeat.

Oh yeah, me too! I'd so get that version - even though I'm playing it right now... in SD =(



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Kenology on 09 October 2012

I've been saying it for the last month and a half and I'll say it again: What if the PS4/720 isn't the leap that some of you are expecting it to be. What then?

We know it'll be more powerful than the Wii U but what if it's only incrementally more powerful. Like what the the XBox was to the Gamecube was to the PS2? What then?

Everyone is using power as a reason to believe 3rd parties would abandon the Wii U, and granted, we don't know how powerful the PS4/720 will be just yet, just consider what it means if it's not the end-all-be-all in terms of processing power that many are expecting?

Will be interesting to see what this would mean for next gen...



DanneSandin on 09 October 2012
Kenology said:
I've been saying it for the last month and a half and I'll say it again: What if the PS4/720 isn't the leap that some of you are expecting it to be. What then?

We know it'll be more powerful than the Wii U but what if it's only incrementally more powerful. Like what the the XBox was to the Gamecube was to the PS2? What then?

Everyone is using power as a reason to believe 3rd parties would abandon the Wii U, and granted, we don't know how powerful the PS4/720 will be just yet, just consider what it means if it's not the end-all-be-all in terms of processing power that many are expecting?

Will be interesting to see what this would mean for next gen...

I'm with you on this one. I don't think PS4 will be THAT much more powerful than WiiU (which you can read all about in my sig). Perhaps X3ox will be a major leap, but then we would have a reverse Wii situation.



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DanneSandin on 09 October 2012
pezus said:
DanneSandin said:
pezus said:
DanneSandin said:
WindyCityHeat said:
What is he supposed to say, It will fail like the wii failed... Yeah his job is to be positive.

Lets just get this thing released then after a few.months it'll be clear what the situation is lol.

Oh, shit! Have you called for an ambulance or anything?! If you have medication you really should take it, like, right now!! I think you're ill =/ you're hallucinating mate! Wii WON the gen and didn't fail at all. You really should have a seat and take some deep breaths.... Maybe that'll clear things up for you

Wii didn't fail as a console, but it failed to get proper 3rd party support. I'm guessing that's what he meant.

Well, considering that Ubisoft have said themselves that 42% of their revenue came from Nintendo consoles. I'd say that isn't failing... And to say that WiiU will fail to get proper 3rd party support is plain stupid. ZombiU, Rayman, Rabbids, Bayo2, Wonderful 101, Darksiders2, CoD BO2 isn't failing. And then we got Monster Hunter and Dragon Quest as launch titles in Japan. That's the 3rd party support that will win Japan for Nintendo. So they're far from failing, which means that WindyCityHearts statement is BS.

Bold: Just Dance 1 through Kids or whatever it was called. Raving Rabbids and other stuff I can't remember. Is that what you'd call proper support? I'm not talking about revenue from specific publishers, I'm talking about games and that's where the wii 'failed'...in 3rd party games. 

The games you mentioned are launch window games, which is why he said "after a few months it'll be clear what the situation is". I'd say instead that once we know everything about MS and Sony's next consoles the situation should be a bit more clear.

Agreed.



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