You keep saying this... yet not even you believe it on a good day when your being less partisian.  (You've admitted it's not racist in many threads.)

Explain how Voter ID laws are more racist then voting locations.

Afterall, not every voting location is within walking distance.   Therefore people who need to catch a bus or drive a car there are paying an illegal poll tax right?   And since minorities are more likely to be poor, this puts a higher burden on them....

So racist right?  

Actually I guess that makes every buisness that doesn't have a location within walking distance of evebrody racist.

Are taxes on cigarrettes racist because most minorities groups are more likely to smoke?

doesn't every us-citizen have an id card? here in germany everyone has to have one. if you are poor, rich, black, white you have that card as german.

My statistic is based on data from a report that Republicans did.  In an effort to prove how prevalent voter ID fraud is, a Republican group commissioned a report on voter ID fraud.  The results were less damning than they believed it would have been.

Just because voter ID fraud is possible, doesn't mean it happens as much as is possible.  Credit card fraud is very difficult, but happens more prevalently because there is a monetary benefit to committing credit card fraud.  There isn't generally a monetary benefit to voter fraud, and when there is, it can happen.  There were several instances of voter ID fraud with individuals who were compensated for registering voters.  Outside of that, it doesn't happen as much as the perception of it happening. 

As an example, there was actually more voter ID fraud by Republicans in Ohio during the last two elections, despite the fact that Republicans have been pushing for voter ID laws that have a greater impact on voters identified with Democrats. 

If you talked to Republicans, their perception is akin to what happened in Russia where a greater percentage of people voted for Putin than existed in the polling place.  The reality is that it actually happens much less than the perception.  Significantly less.

Again, I think there is an inequity in the laws each state maintains and this inequity may create the the perception that is more possible in some states than in others.  So, in my opinion we should be working to fix the inequities first before we enact new laws.

Said report wasn't about all kinds of voter fraud as far as I recall... nor did they use the method above that found a number that would far outstripe that listed.

Also saying we should fix some laws, because other laws have problems is... well stupid.

As for the more republicans committing fraud thing?   Good, show that to the democratic politicians, and maybe they will stop making extremely stupid arguements for why we shouldn't have cheap effective voter ID laws...

Which a majority of the country wants.   Including a majority of democrats.

Racism i'm using as a stand-in term for various negative "isms" that are going on in here.

For one, the Republicans *know* that the only reason they have a shot in Pennsylvania this time around is because of the Voter ID law (Romney's been saying this). That right there should tell you something.

Secondly, when the burden of proof is placed on the state to prove that they can get everyone an ID in time for the election, the state generally fails the test. The only reason these laws have been holding up in court is that the burden of proof is on the plaintiff for some reason.

Before this Voter ID nonsense, absentee balloting was the easy way for those without access to get access such that getting to the polling place wasn't even a thing. Now, of course, you need a birth certificate...

So in otherwords.   You have no problems with voter ID laws, so long as they effect the next election and not this one?

Also, all that statement tells me is that Republcians think democrats are more likely to comit voter fraud.

Which, I can see why, the big cases always seemingly having to do with Democratic voter registration instituions and democrats being agaisnt basic common sense government issued photo ID voting laws that 74% of the country supports.

In part. It may well be that our state courts rule the law is constitutionally valid, but has to be suspended for this election because it will be impossible for PENNDOT or the State Department to get everyone supplied in time.

I am opposed to the laws because their intent is malevolent, and because the laws are unfeasible against the realities of the day (which the people proposing these laws *know,* hence the malevolence).

At the end of the day i do support some sort of national ID system, something that could serve as an all-in-one or something

Most of the states here in the usa are set up just like you describe.  However, in some states, most of which seem to be battleground states, a person just needs to register in advance, which can be done through mail or internet, and show up and tell the polling attendent who they are.  The polling attendant then finds them on the list and checks them off.

Still kind of hard to rip off a system like that.   However, imagine if you really wanted some politician to win and you vote early in the day.  When you get home, you find out that your neighbor isnt going to vote, so you head back and say that you are the neighbor and you get to vote again.  They can also lie about their citizenship and register to vote that way if they arent legal citizens.  There is no check on the accuracy of peoples claims to citenship.

Requiring an id is a common sense solution to close an obvious risk of fraud.  The majority of the states in the country have laws just like this.  It is common sense.  The problems people have arent with the law, it is with the politics.  Republicans and Democrats have politicized the laws so that now both sides are getting all riled up over what is actually a simple logical law.

Fair enough.

While I support the voter ID laws, I don't think they should apply until the next election.

I don't think ANY voter law should apply to the election most current.

Also, I don't really see the laws as manevelont in nature... considering that Voter Id laws used to be a bi-partisian issue that democrats backed away from.  That it might be that it will "deliver romney penslyvania" likely does in fact mean by stopping rampant voter fraud.

The most recent voter fraud issues have pretty much all dealt with Acorn signing up false people, and democratic leaning places ending up with more votes then registered voters.

That's why the politics of it break down like it does.

Afterall, why did Delware post voter ID laws despite being heavily democratic?

Likely because it's something practically eveyrone wants, and voter fraud won't help there.

An ID isn't going to catch this.  An ID is used to identify a person as who they are.  If the registration system is sloppy, as is seen with the report I posted, then having the person present an ID isn't going to catch it.  A problem that happens when you end up tightening up the process to screen out citizenship, is that the ID card being used, is it ends up being equivalent to a national ID card, which then ends up bringing up the line: "Papers please!".

In short, just slapping an ID on top of things doesn't stop where the bulk of fraud can happen when voting.  And the fraud is actually you impersonating someone else who is registered.  It also serves nicely to block people who don't actually have IDs.  And how exactly does having an ID or not actually screen fraud in the area of absentee balloting?