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YukanaSenix said:

We all know the S3 is far superior to every other Phone at the moment.

The new iPhone would be great if it would cost around the same or even better less than the S3.
The S3 is stronger and better in terms of hardware and everyone knows Android turned out superior(over the last years)
And iPhones shouldn't even be considered as the top notch status symbol anymore.
Samsung is now Number 1 everywhere - Even on the market that doesn't interest anyone that isn't a shareholder- They did so great.

If you want to be really cool and mainstream now > Get Samsung Phones.They are number 1 in the world.


iPhone 5 will sell a lot more than the s3, so Samsung isn't #1.

also, apples market cap is a lot higher than samsungs too, so I'm not sure what you mean by 'markets'

Lastly, the iPhone 5 is superior to the s3 in nearly every single way...so I don't know what you first sentence is about tbh



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Kasz216 said:
ebw said:
Kasz216 said:
ethomaz said:

My ex-girlfriend have a Android too... when she changed to iPhone was one of the times I saw her happiest in life with something electronic, she marveled at every new thing she did with it... so epic.

Sorry guys for end-user: iOS > WP >> Android.

For greek:  Android >>>> All.

It's like Windows vs Linux.


If that was true... I'd think marketshare would be reversed.

The thing is, marketshare is reversed when you eliminate the one big factor that skews the numbers toward Android.  The problem is that carriers have a huge influence on people's choice of phones.  A large bulk of sales come from customers who come in to the phone store and just buy whatever is pushed onto them.  Anyone who believes that 60% of the world consciously picked Android is kidding themselves: compare the sales figures with actual usage statistics which show iOS well ahead of Android.  The simplest explanation is that Android is becoming the new "dirt cheap" and most owners use them as dumbphones, never even bothering to learn how to open web pages.

Incidentally, I suspect carrier intervention is also the reason why Windows Phone struggles to get any traction even with its stellar reviews.

Let's now take a look at a market that is (largely) free from this bias: tablets.  Tablets do not come attached with lucrative locked-in contracts, so the wireless carriers are not a significant source of tablet sales.  How do Android and iOS compare there?  The best-selling Android tablet is Kindle Fire, running an hugely outdated version of the OS.  Unfortunately Amazon is closed and refuses to release any sales data, but estimates suggest the iPad is holding a >60% share all by itself against a tide of inferior Android tablets.

(Oh, and anyone who really thinks proprietary connectors and closed systems are horrible, isn't much of a console gamer.  What percentage of this site does that describe?)

Essentially that seems to boil down to... "IPhones are too expensive for what they provide."

Afterall, Samsung must be giving them some deal right on the price then right?

Or do you think there is just a vast cellphone conspiracy against apple?

As for tablets... tablets are a totally different market.  Or rather a smaller subset of the cellphone market.   As they become used more and more regularly used (If they do.) I wouldn't be shocked to see Tablet numbers shrink... just like Iphone numbers have.


No...just no....

iPhone sales are higher than they've ever been, so your comment is bogus



Hynad said:
the2real4mafol said:
Hynad said:
YukanaSenix said:

We all know the S3 is far superior to every other Phone at the moment.

The new iPhone would be great if it would cost around the same or even better less than the S3.
The S3 is stronger and better in terms of hardware and everyone knows Android turned out superior(over the last years)
And iPhones shouldn't even be considered as the top notch status symbol anymore.
Samsung is now Number 1 everywhere - Even on the market that doesn't interest anyone that isn't a shareholder- They did so great.

If you want to be really cool and mainstream now > Get Samsung Phones.They are number 1 in the world.

No. Not at all, in fact.


http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2410034,00.asp 

Does it really matter, if iPhone is better than samsung or the other way round. There all good and fast phones anyway. Phones need to quickly improve battery life now, they don't need to be any faster


It doesn't matter at all. The important thing is that your phone does the things you want it to do, with the ease you expect from it. I'm on a XPeria Ray right now. Hardly the best phone out there, but it does get the job done smoothly, runs on ICS, and is a small phone with a pretty great display and good camera.  All things that were important to me when I purchased it.

Now, when it comes to Apple vs Samsung, it's not that it is important that one is better. But if you claim something, you still need to back it up.  When all things are considered, the people that blindly look at spec numbers are being thought a hard lesson when the 2 phones (iP5 and SIII) are pitted one against each others in benchmarks. But both are great phones, there's no denying that. 

I just find it stupid that people have pointless arguments over two phones that are both great, will both sell tons and just work well for their users. To me, they are about the same. And to be honest, those benchmarks mean nothing to me, let alone the average consumer who knows little about what's inside there technology



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the2real4mafol said:
Hynad said:
the2real4mafol said:
Hynad said:
YukanaSenix said:

We all know the S3 is far superior to every other Phone at the moment.

The new iPhone would be great if it would cost around the same or even better less than the S3.
The S3 is stronger and better in terms of hardware and everyone knows Android turned out superior(over the last years)
And iPhones shouldn't even be considered as the top notch status symbol anymore.
Samsung is now Number 1 everywhere - Even on the market that doesn't interest anyone that isn't a shareholder- They did so great.

If you want to be really cool and mainstream now > Get Samsung Phones.They are number 1 in the world.

No. Not at all, in fact.


http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2410034,00.asp 

Does it really matter, if iPhone is better than samsung or the other way round. There all good and fast phones anyway. Phones need to quickly improve battery life now, they don't need to be any faster


It doesn't matter at all. The important thing is that your phone does the things you want it to do, with the ease you expect from it. I'm on a XPeria Ray right now. Hardly the best phone out there, but it does get the job done smoothly, runs on ICS, and is a small phone with a pretty great display and good camera.  All things that were important to me when I purchased it.

Now, when it comes to Apple vs Samsung, it's not that it is important that one is better. But if you claim something, you still need to back it up.  When all things are considered, the people that blindly look at spec numbers are being thought a hard lesson when the 2 phones (iP5 and SIII) are pitted one against each others in benchmarks. But both are great phones, there's no denying that. 

I just find it stupid that people have pointless arguments over two phones that are both great, will both sell tons and just work well for their users. To me, they are about the same. And to be honest, those benchmarks mean nothing to me, let alone the average consumer who knows little about what's inside there technology

If it means nothing to you, then why are you taking part in the topic? If not to stir more shit?



man-bear-pig said:
Kasz216 said:
ebw said:
Kasz216 said:
ethomaz said:

My ex-girlfriend have a Android too... when she changed to iPhone was one of the times I saw her happiest in life with something electronic, she marveled at every new thing she did with it... so epic.

Sorry guys for end-user: iOS > WP >> Android.

For greek:  Android >>>> All.

It's like Windows vs Linux.


If that was true... I'd think marketshare would be reversed.

The thing is, marketshare is reversed when you eliminate the one big factor that skews the numbers toward Android.  The problem is that carriers have a huge influence on people's choice of phones.  A large bulk of sales come from customers who come in to the phone store and just buy whatever is pushed onto them.  Anyone who believes that 60% of the world consciously picked Android is kidding themselves: compare the sales figures with actual usage statistics which show iOS well ahead of Android.  The simplest explanation is that Android is becoming the new "dirt cheap" and most owners use them as dumbphones, never even bothering to learn how to open web pages.

Incidentally, I suspect carrier intervention is also the reason why Windows Phone struggles to get any traction even with its stellar reviews.

Let's now take a look at a market that is (largely) free from this bias: tablets.  Tablets do not come attached with lucrative locked-in contracts, so the wireless carriers are not a significant source of tablet sales.  How do Android and iOS compare there?  The best-selling Android tablet is Kindle Fire, running an hugely outdated version of the OS.  Unfortunately Amazon is closed and refuses to release any sales data, but estimates suggest the iPad is holding a >60% share all by itself against a tide of inferior Android tablets.

(Oh, and anyone who really thinks proprietary connectors and closed systems are horrible, isn't much of a console gamer.  What percentage of this site does that describe?)

Essentially that seems to boil down to... "IPhones are too expensive for what they provide."

Afterall, Samsung must be giving them some deal right on the price then right?

Or do you think there is just a vast cellphone conspiracy against apple?

As for tablets... tablets are a totally different market.  Or rather a smaller subset of the cellphone market.   As they become used more and more regularly used (If they do.) I wouldn't be shocked to see Tablet numbers shrink... just like Iphone numbers have.


No...just no....

iPhone sales are higher than they've ever been, so your comment is bogus

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/08/android-marketshare-iphone_n_1756180.html

Increasing Sales ==  Increasing Markethare.  Which you know.  Exactly my point.

"The market share for Apple Inc.'s iPhone, powered by its iOS software, fell slightly to 17 percent, from 19 percent. But the company shipped more iPhones than a year ago. Apple is the No. 2 smartphone maker, behind Samsung, and is likely to get a boost when it releases its new iPhone model as expected this fall."

Pretty much everybody lost except Android.

Sure Iphone sales will get a slight boost due to the Iphone 5.  It's unlikely to continue past the bump though.



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smbu2000 said:
Scoobes said:
ebw said:
 

The thing is, marketshare is reversed when you eliminate the one big factor that skews the numbers toward Android.  The problem is that carriers have a huge influence on people's choice of phones.  A large bulk of sales come from customers who come in to the phone store and just buy whatever is pushed onto them.  Anyone who believes that 60% of the world consciously picked Android is kidding themselves: compare the sales figures with actual usage statistics which show iOS well ahead of Android.  The simplest explanation is that Android is becoming the new "dirt cheap" and most owners use them as dumbphones, never even bothering to learn how to open web pages.

Incidentally, I suspect carrier intervention is also the reason why Windows Phone struggles to get any traction even with its stellar reviews.

Let's now take a look at a market that is (largely) free from this bias: tablets.  Tablets do not come attached with lucrative locked-in contracts, so the wireless carriers are not a significant source of tablet sales.  How do Android and iOS compare there?  The best-selling Android tablet is Kindle Fire, running an hugely outdated version of the OS.  Unfortunately Amazon is closed and refuses to release any sales data, but estimates suggest the iPad is holding a >60% share all by itself against a tide of inferior Android tablets.

(Oh, and anyone who really thinks proprietary connectors and closed systems are horrible, isn't much of a console gamer.  What percentage of this site does that describe?)

You analysis is somewhat skewed considering the same situation was present when Android first came out on smartphones. It's only been around 2 years since Android tablets became available. In the same time period, the market share of smartphones (iOS vs Android) was similar to what we're seeing with tablets and it's only recently that tablets like the Kindle Fire and Nexus 7 have really started to push the Android tablet market. It may take longer on tablets for the reason you mention above, but it seems likely that Android tablets will overtake iPad in terms of market share.

The one big difference is that this time Microsoft are going to throw a spanner into the works by releasing Surface but I think this is more likely to compete with iPads (higher end market & business users) then the best selling Android tablets (smaller, cheaper, 7" tablets).

Didn't you watch the iPhone 5 keynote? At the beginning Tim Cook talked about the iPad market share. Between April-June 2011 the iPad had 62% of the WW marketshare. Between April-June 2012 the iPad had 68% of the total WW marketshare, so it is increasing again compared to prior years.

Even with that 91% of all tablet web traffic comes from iPads. Another interesting statistic, 94% of Fortune 500 companies are deploying iPads into their business.

If you don't want to see the whole keynote you can see the relevant pictures from it here: (didn't really look at the "article" just the pics)

http://totalipad.com/the-fascinating-ipad/

I saw the keynote. That's within the typical peaks and troughs especially considering the new iPad released in March. The release of a new Apple product always results in a slight increase in market share for Apple (that's true of the iPhone too). That also doesn't take into account the new Nexus 7 (estimated to sell 6-8 million by years end), the Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 and the new Kindle Fire range Amazon announced. The increase in Android market share is typically a gradual one and the competition is just starting to get going.

The tablet market is really hotting up. Smaller Android tablets are starting to make inroads in the 7" budget sector and the larger Kindle Fire HD has potential in the US market. Then there's Microsoft who could make inroads in the business sector. Then there are the rumours of Apple releasing an iPad mini in the next month or so.



Scoobes said:
smbu2000 said:
Scoobes said:
ebw said:
 

The thing is, marketshare is reversed when you eliminate the one big factor that skews the numbers toward Android.  The problem is that carriers have a huge influence on people's choice of phones.  A large bulk of sales come from customers who come in to the phone store and just buy whatever is pushed onto them.  Anyone who believes that 60% of the world consciously picked Android is kidding themselves: compare the sales figures with actual usage statistics which show iOS well ahead of Android.  The simplest explanation is that Android is becoming the new "dirt cheap" and most owners use them as dumbphones, never even bothering to learn how to open web pages.

Incidentally, I suspect carrier intervention is also the reason why Windows Phone struggles to get any traction even with its stellar reviews.

Let's now take a look at a market that is (largely) free from this bias: tablets.  Tablets do not come attached with lucrative locked-in contracts, so the wireless carriers are not a significant source of tablet sales.  How do Android and iOS compare there?  The best-selling Android tablet is Kindle Fire, running an hugely outdated version of the OS.  Unfortunately Amazon is closed and refuses to release any sales data, but estimates suggest the iPad is holding a >60% share all by itself against a tide of inferior Android tablets.

(Oh, and anyone who really thinks proprietary connectors and closed systems are horrible, isn't much of a console gamer.  What percentage of this site does that describe?)

You analysis is somewhat skewed considering the same situation was present when Android first came out on smartphones. It's only been around 2 years since Android tablets became available. In the same time period, the market share of smartphones (iOS vs Android) was similar to what we're seeing with tablets and it's only recently that tablets like the Kindle Fire and Nexus 7 have really started to push the Android tablet market. It may take longer on tablets for the reason you mention above, but it seems likely that Android tablets will overtake iPad in terms of market share.

The one big difference is that this time Microsoft are going to throw a spanner into the works by releasing Surface but I think this is more likely to compete with iPads (higher end market & business users) then the best selling Android tablets (smaller, cheaper, 7" tablets).

Didn't you watch the iPhone 5 keynote? At the beginning Tim Cook talked about the iPad market share. Between April-June 2011 the iPad had 62% of the WW marketshare. Between April-June 2012 the iPad had 68% of the total WW marketshare, so it is increasing again compared to prior years.

Even with that 91% of all tablet web traffic comes from iPads. Another interesting statistic, 94% of Fortune 500 companies are deploying iPads into their business.

If you don't want to see the whole keynote you can see the relevant pictures from it here: (didn't really look at the "article" just the pics)

http://totalipad.com/the-fascinating-ipad/

I saw the keynote. That's within the typical peaks and troughs especially considering the new iPad released in March. The release of a new Apple product always results in a slight increase in market share for Apple (that's true of the iPhone too). That also doesn't take into account the new Nexus 7 (estimated to sell 6-8 million by years end), the Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 and the new Kindle Fire range Amazon announced. The increase in Android market share is typically a gradual one and the competition is just starting to get going.

The tablet market is really hotting up. Smaller Android tablets are starting to make inroads in the 7" budget sector and the larger Kindle Fire HD has potential in the US market. Then there's Microsoft who could make inroads in the business sector. Then there are the rumours of Apple releasing an iPad mini in the next month or so.


Isn't an iPod touch an iPad mini?



pezus said:

It's not 1 iPhone though, is it? And most people seem to want the more expensive androids as well.

It's 1 iPhone model per year... nothing more.

Yeah... it's like 100k people buying iPhone vs. 30k people buying the more expensive Android.

I can't undestand what means "most people".



pezus said:

Didn't someone here say S3 was projected to sell around 20-30m alone this year? vs. maybe 50 for iPhone 5? Then we count the other expensive Androids, of which there are really only 5-10 "major" ones each year, not thousands or millions.

Android phones seem to be making huge in-roads that's for sure.

20-30k in 7 months... iPhone 5 is set to shell 30k in maybe 1 month or 50k this year.

What are you talking about? In fact it's obvious who sell more.

The iPhone 5 will sell more than these 5-10 "major" Android.



pezus said:
ethomaz said:

pezus said:

It's not 1 iPhone though, is it? And most people seem to want the more expensive androids as well.

It's 1 iPhone model per year... nothing more.

Yeah... it's like 100k people buying iPhone vs. 30k people buying the more expensive Android.

I can't undestand what means "most people".

Didn't someone here say S3 was projected to sell around 20-30m alone this year? vs. maybe 50 for iPhone 5? Then we count the other expensive Androids, of which there are really only 5-10 "major" ones each year, not thousands or millions.

Android phones seem to be making huge in-roads that's for sure.


Galaxy s3 will sell 30m in 2012, iPhone will sell over 58m. Plus, the galaxy will have been on the market for over twice as long as the iPhone 5. The galaxy s3 is the highest selling android phone BY A MILE. 

Anyway, Android is a dying OS...it's marketshare is at the highest it'll ever be now