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Kasz216 said:
ethomaz said:

My ex-girlfriend have a Android too... when she changed to iPhone was one of the times I saw her happiest in life with something electronic, she marveled at every new thing she did with it... so epic.

Sorry guys for end-user: iOS > WP >> Android.

For greek:  Android >>>> All.

It's like Windows vs Linux.


If that was true... I'd think marketshare would be reversed.

The thing is, marketshare is reversed when you eliminate the one big factor that skews the numbers toward Android.  The problem is that carriers have a huge influence on people's choice of phones.  A large bulk of sales come from customers who come in to the phone store and just buy whatever is pushed onto them.  Anyone who believes that 60% of the world consciously picked Android is kidding themselves: compare the sales figures with actual usage statistics which show iOS well ahead of Android.  The simplest explanation is that Android is becoming the new "dirt cheap" and most owners use them as dumbphones, never even bothering to learn how to open web pages.

Incidentally, I suspect carrier intervention is also the reason why Windows Phone struggles to get any traction even with its stellar reviews.

Let's now take a look at a market that is (largely) free from this bias: tablets.  Tablets do not come attached with lucrative locked-in contracts, so the wireless carriers are not a significant source of tablet sales.  How do Android and iOS compare there?  The best-selling Android tablet is Kindle Fire, running an hugely outdated version of the OS.  Unfortunately Amazon is closed and refuses to release any sales data, but estimates suggest the iPad is holding a >60% share all by itself against a tide of inferior Android tablets.

(Oh, and anyone who really thinks proprietary connectors and closed systems are horrible, isn't much of a console gamer.  What percentage of this site does that describe?)



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*clearly ironic post*

You think making fun of Android is funny? You hateful, psychopathic pedants absolutely sicken me. If you said that shit to my face, on my COUNTRY SOIL, me and my boys would beat the shit out of you, snapping your throat in half and asphyxiating you with your own dick to teach you some empathy. You bestial fucks. How do you live with yourself? Are you making disgusting jokes because Nexus devices are objectively worth more than your iPhails and Windows8Shits, filling you with rage and existential angst? Fuck you. Maybe if you had a shred of humanity, the part of the world that MATTERS wouldn't regard you as animalistic savages. Burn in hell, and fear the judgement of God. Better hope that I'm not deployed anywhere near where you live next year, or so help me, I'll track down all of your IPs and personally make you rue the day your country took your inalienable right to bear arms. I hope you shitposters find the irony of an "Fandroid" filling your lips with hot bullets funny and a fitting end to your miserable life. And I'll be sure to clap over your lifeless, mutilated body. Never talk shit about Android ever again, because this is the price you worthless scumfucks have to pay.

 

 

 

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ebw said:
Kasz216 said:
ethomaz said:

My ex-girlfriend have a Android too... when she changed to iPhone was one of the times I saw her happiest in life with something electronic, she marveled at every new thing she did with it... so epic.

Sorry guys for end-user: iOS > WP >> Android.

For greek:  Android >>>> All.

It's like Windows vs Linux.


If that was true... I'd think marketshare would be reversed.

The thing is, marketshare is reversed when you eliminate the one big factor that skews the numbers toward Android.  The problem is that carriers have a huge influence on people's choice of phones.  A large bulk of sales come from customers who come in to the phone store and just buy whatever is pushed onto them.  Anyone who believes that 60% of the world consciously picked Android is kidding themselves: compare the sales figures with actual usage statistics which show iOS well ahead of Android.  The simplest explanation is that Android is becoming the new "dirt cheap" and most owners use them as dumbphones, never even bothering to learn how to open web pages.

Incidentally, I suspect carrier intervention is also the reason why Windows Phone struggles to get any traction even with its stellar reviews.

Let's now take a look at a market that is (largely) free from this bias: tablets.  Tablets do not come attached with lucrative locked-in contracts, so the wireless carriers are not a significant source of tablet sales.  How do Android and iOS compare there?  The best-selling Android tablet is Kindle Fire, running an hugely outdated version of the OS.  Unfortunately Amazon is closed and refuses to release any sales data, but estimates suggest the iPad is holding a >60% share all by itself against a tide of inferior Android tablets.

(Oh, and anyone who really thinks proprietary connectors and closed systems are horrible, isn't much of a console gamer.  What percentage of this site does that describe?)

You analysis is somewhat skewed considering the same situation was present when Android first came out on smartphones. It's only been around 2 years since Android tablets became available. In the same time period, the market share of smartphones (iOS vs Android) was similar to what we're seeing with tablets and it's only recently that tablets like the Kindle Fire and Nexus 7 have really started to push the Android tablet market. It may take longer on tablets for the reason you mention above, but it seems likely that Android tablets will overtake iPad in terms of market share.

The one big difference is that this time Microsoft are going to throw a spanner into the works by releasing Surface but I think this is more likely to compete with iPads (higher end market & business users) then the best selling Android tablets (smaller, cheaper, 7" tablets).



Scoobes said:
ebw said:

The thing is, marketshare is reversed when you eliminate the one big factor that skews the numbers toward Android.  The problem is that carriers have a huge influence on people's choice of phones.  A large bulk of sales come from customers who come in to the phone store and just buy whatever is pushed onto them.  Anyone who believes that 60% of the world consciously picked Android is kidding themselves: compare the sales figures with actual usage statistics which show iOS well ahead of Android.  The simplest explanation is that Android is becoming the new "dirt cheap" and most owners use them as dumbphones, never even bothering to learn how to open web pages.

Incidentally, I suspect carrier intervention is also the reason why Windows Phone struggles to get any traction even with its stellar reviews.

Let's now take a look at a market that is (largely) free from this bias: tablets.  Tablets do not come attached with lucrative locked-in contracts, so the wireless carriers are not a significant source of tablet sales.  How do Android and iOS compare there?  The best-selling Android tablet is Kindle Fire, running an hugely outdated version of the OS.  Unfortunately Amazon is closed and refuses to release any sales data, but estimates suggest the iPad is holding a >60% share all by itself against a tide of inferior Android tablets.

(Oh, and anyone who really thinks proprietary connectors and closed systems are horrible, isn't much of a console gamer.  What percentage of this site does that describe?)

You analysis is somewhat skewed considering the same situation was present when Android first came out on smartphones. It's only been around 2 years since Android tablets became available. In the same time period, the market share of smartphones (iOS vs Android) was similar to what we're seeing with tablets and it's only recently that tablets like the Kindle Fire and Nexus 7 have really started to push the Android tablet market. It may take longer on tablets for the reason you mention above, but it seems likely that Android tablets will overtake iPad in terms of market share.

The one big difference is that this time Microsoft are going to throw a spanner into the works by releasing Surface but I think this is more likely to compete with iPads (higher end market & business users) then the best selling Android tablets (smaller, cheaper, 7" tablets).

Didn't you watch the iPhone 5 keynote? At the beginning Tim Cook talked about the iPad market share. Between April-June 2011 the iPad had 62% of the WW marketshare. Between April-June 2012 the iPad had 68% of the total WW marketshare, so it is increasing again compared to prior years.

Even with that 91% of all tablet web traffic comes from iPads. Another interesting statistic, 94% of Fortune 500 companies are deploying iPads into their business.

If you don't want to see the whole keynote you can see the relevant pictures from it here: (didn't really look at the "article" just the pics)

http://totalipad.com/the-fascinating-ipad/




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Kasz216 said:
If that was true... I'd think marketshare would be reversed.

No.

1000 Android models ($1-$600) vs 1 iPhone model ($600).

You have your awnser... compare just similar models with iPhone... it crush everything in sales/marketshare.

 



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We all know the S3 is far superior to every other Phone at the moment.

The new iPhone would be great if it would cost around the same or even better less than the S3.
The S3 is stronger and better in terms of hardware and everyone knows Android turned out superior(over the last years)
And iPhones shouldn't even be considered as the top notch status symbol anymore.
Samsung is now Number 1 everywhere - Even on the market that doesn't interest anyone that isn't a shareholder- They did so great.

If you want to be really cool and mainstream now > Get Samsung Phones.They are number 1 in the world.



YukanaSenix said:

We all know the S3 is far superior to every other Phone at the moment.

The S3 is stronger and better in terms of hardware 

No. Not at all, in fact.


http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2410034,00.asp 

"and everyone knows Android turned out superior(over the last years)"

Everyone knows that? Superior?  How is it superior? That's all debatable, since it's all subjective.  And there's plenty of people preffering one or the other for different reasons. But go on, try to shove that down our throats. That's the best way to discuss and debate. ¬_¬



Hynad said:
YukanaSenix said:

We all know the S3 is far superior to every other Phone at the moment.

The new iPhone would be great if it would cost around the same or even better less than the S3.
The S3 is stronger and better in terms of hardware and everyone knows Android turned out superior(over the last years)
And iPhones shouldn't even be considered as the top notch status symbol anymore.
Samsung is now Number 1 everywhere - Even on the market that doesn't interest anyone that isn't a shareholder- They did so great.

If you want to be really cool and mainstream now > Get Samsung Phones.They are number 1 in the world.

No. Not at all, in fact.


http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2410034,00.asp 

Does it really matter, if iPhone is better than samsung or the other way round. There all good and fast phones anyway. Phones need to quickly improve battery life now, they don't need to be any faster



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ebw said:
Kasz216 said:
ethomaz said:

My ex-girlfriend have a Android too... when she changed to iPhone was one of the times I saw her happiest in life with something electronic, she marveled at every new thing she did with it... so epic.

Sorry guys for end-user: iOS > WP >> Android.

For greek:  Android >>>> All.

It's like Windows vs Linux.


If that was true... I'd think marketshare would be reversed.

The thing is, marketshare is reversed when you eliminate the one big factor that skews the numbers toward Android.  The problem is that carriers have a huge influence on people's choice of phones.  A large bulk of sales come from customers who come in to the phone store and just buy whatever is pushed onto them.  Anyone who believes that 60% of the world consciously picked Android is kidding themselves: compare the sales figures with actual usage statistics which show iOS well ahead of Android.  The simplest explanation is that Android is becoming the new "dirt cheap" and most owners use them as dumbphones, never even bothering to learn how to open web pages.

Incidentally, I suspect carrier intervention is also the reason why Windows Phone struggles to get any traction even with its stellar reviews.

Let's now take a look at a market that is (largely) free from this bias: tablets.  Tablets do not come attached with lucrative locked-in contracts, so the wireless carriers are not a significant source of tablet sales.  How do Android and iOS compare there?  The best-selling Android tablet is Kindle Fire, running an hugely outdated version of the OS.  Unfortunately Amazon is closed and refuses to release any sales data, but estimates suggest the iPad is holding a >60% share all by itself against a tide of inferior Android tablets.

(Oh, and anyone who really thinks proprietary connectors and closed systems are horrible, isn't much of a console gamer.  What percentage of this site does that describe?)

Essentially that seems to boil down to... "IPhones are too expensive for what they provide."

Afterall, Samsung must be giving them some deal right on the price then right?

Or do you think there is just a vast cellphone conspiracy against apple?

As for tablets... tablets are a totally different market.  Or rather a smaller subset of the cellphone market.   As they become used more and more regularly used (If they do.) I wouldn't be shocked to see Tablet numbers shrink... just like Iphone numbers have.



the2real4mafol said:
Hynad said:
YukanaSenix said:

We all know the S3 is far superior to every other Phone at the moment.

The new iPhone would be great if it would cost around the same or even better less than the S3.
The S3 is stronger and better in terms of hardware and everyone knows Android turned out superior(over the last years)
And iPhones shouldn't even be considered as the top notch status symbol anymore.
Samsung is now Number 1 everywhere - Even on the market that doesn't interest anyone that isn't a shareholder- They did so great.

If you want to be really cool and mainstream now > Get Samsung Phones.They are number 1 in the world.

No. Not at all, in fact.


http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2410034,00.asp 

Does it really matter, if iPhone is better than samsung or the other way round. There all good and fast phones anyway. Phones need to quickly improve battery life now, they don't need to be any faster


It doesn't matter at all. The important thing is that your phone does the things you want it to do, with the ease you expect from it. I'm on a XPeria Ray right now. Hardly the best phone out there, but it does get the job done smoothly, runs on ICS, and is a small phone with a pretty great display and good camera.  All things that were important to me when I purchased it.

Now, when it comes to Apple vs Samsung, it's not that it is important that one is better. But if you claim something, you still need to back it up.  When all things are considered, the people that blindly look at spec numbers are being thought a hard lesson when the 2 phones (iP5 and SIII) are pit one against each others in benchmarks. But both are great phones, there's no denying that.