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HappySqurriel said:

How many third party games are there for the Playstation Move, Microsoft's Kinect or Wii Fit? How many third party games are there for the Wii? How many weeks will it take for the Wii U to have more third party games than Playstation Move, Microsoft Kinect, or Wii Fit combined?

I think you use the term third party because Kinect mostly sold 1st party games in the above 10Millions?

Alot of the things that cause 3rd parties to support a piece of HW, whether an add-on or a whole console, has to do with business push. The business push behind the Wii and the WiiU is what explains what you're getting at, but none of that _has_ to couple with a new console. In other words, it's up to the maker how well it does and how well its supported, unless one business partner (3rd party) has that much influence, but it's more the exception than the rule, even more so when it comes to Nintendo.



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"Time is required before the next generation console cycle begins in earnest"

It would appear that the creator of Monster Hunter, Street Fighter and Resident Evil doesn't see the Wii U as a true next gen platform - something that many other developers are likely to agree with, given the system's technological parity with the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3.

You would make a great news reporter, taking what someone says and making completly unrelated conclusions from it.

All he said is it will take time before the next generation of games for the next gen consoles begin to thrive. This only means that early Wii U games will be ports/simulatious releases/re-releases of current gen games and it's going to be a while before we see an adundant amount of next gen software. (So far there are only a handful of Wii U exclusive titles, and except for Zombie U and that game by Platnium Studios, none are new IP's).



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happydolphin said:
HappySqurriel said:

How many third party games are there for the Playstation Move, Microsoft's Kinect or Wii Fit? How many third party games are there for the Wii? How many weeks will it take for the Wii U to have more third party games than Playstation Move, Microsoft Kinect, or Wii Fit combined?

I think you use the term third party because Kinect mostly sold 1st party games in the above 10Millions?

Alot of the things that cause 3rd parties to support a piece of HW, whether an add-on or a whole console, has to do with business push. The business push behind the Wii and the WiiU is what explains what you're getting at, but none of that _has_ to couple with a new console. In other words, it's up to the maker how well it does and how well its supported, unless one business partner (3rd party) has that much influence, but it's more the exception than the rule, even more so when it comes to Nintendo.

No, I mentioned third party because no add-ons in the history of consoles have been well supported by third party publishers ...



I dont know whats with you guys but for me it says AS LONG AS NOT ALL NEXT GEN CONSOLES ARE OUT THE NEXT GEN WILL NOT BEGINN

There is not even a hint that the guy thinks WiiU is current gen.


All this nay saying Nintendo doom shit made you guys pesimistic lol.



It's kind of sad that the biggest pride some people have in gaming are power and graphics. Power and graphics do something for a game, yes. However, if the experience is good, why care so much about it? It's strange how we are, when we get something extra, we always want more. "That's great, what more is there? Give me more." and that kind of attitude could be one of the reasons as to why great games do not make it into production or get cancelled, etc.



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If "next-gen" is defined by $25,000 84" 4k TV and a Playstation 4 (cost unknown) to play on that TV...

On other hand, if "next-gen" is defined by new play experiences...

The gimmicks Nintendo come out with force new play experiences (lot of them failures and some of them exceptional). If you want higher resolution etc, you need to be using a PC (connect it to your TV and use X360 controller). You can upgrade your rig every few months and replay the same game at even higher settings and resolutions and new shadows and other such stuff.



HappySqurriel said:

No, I mentioned third party because no add-ons in the history of consoles have been well supported by third party publishers ...

There's no causality to that argument.

MDMAlliance said:
It's kind of sad that the biggest pride some people have in gaming are power and graphics. Power and graphics do something for a game, yes. However, if the experience is good, why care so much about it? It's strange how we are, when we get something extra, we always want more. "That's great, what more is there? Give me more." and that kind of attitude could be one of the reasons as to why great games do not make it into production or get cancelled, etc.

Does this have anything to do with what was said in the thread? Nobody is saying the games are less good because the system is not next gen. We're just arguing whether it's next gen or not. Your suspicion of the contrary makes you the target of your own post.



happydolphin said:

MDMAlliance said:
It's kind of sad that the biggest pride some people have in gaming are power and graphics. Power and graphics do something for a game, yes. However, if the experience is good, why care so much about it? It's strange how we are, when we get something extra, we always want more. "That's great, what more is there? Give me more." and that kind of attitude could be one of the reasons as to why great games do not make it into production or get cancelled, etc.

Does this have anything to do with what was said in the thread? Nobody is saying the games are less good because the system is not next gen. We're just arguing whether it's next gen or not. Your suspicion of the contrary makes you the target of your own post.


I wasn't quoting anybody so it wasn't referring to anyone in specific.  However, on topic of whether the system is next generation it is related because the issue people are having here is with graphics and power.  Whether or not the Wii U is next generation is not arguable.  It is next generation, due to the terms meaning in any context.  It has modern (relatively) architecture.  It is releasing in the time frame of when the next set of consoles are releasing.  Its power is well enough over the last generation to put it into the bracket of next generation in that sense, too.  



MDMAlliance said:
happydolphin said:

MDMAlliance said:
It's kind of sad that the biggest pride some people have in gaming are power and graphics. Power and graphics do something for a game, yes. However, if the experience is good, why care so much about it? It's strange how we are, when we get something extra, we always want more. "That's great, what more is there? Give me more." and that kind of attitude could be one of the reasons as to why great games do not make it into production or get cancelled, etc.

Does this have anything to do with what was said in the thread? Nobody is saying the games are less good because the system is not next gen. We're just arguing whether it's next gen or not. Your suspicion of the contrary makes you the target of your own post.


I wasn't quoting anybody so it wasn't referring to anyone in specific.  However, on topic of whether the system is next generation it is related because the issue people are having here is with graphics and power.  Whether or not the Wii U is next generation is not arguable.  It is next generation, due to the terms meaning in any context.  It has modern (relatively) architecture.  It is releasing in the time frame of when the next set of consoles are releasing.  Its power is well enough over the last generation to put it into the bracket of next generation in that sense, too.  

@bold. That wasn't my question, but it's ok.

Yes you're right that it's arguable, as you wrote "(relatively)" you could argue that in the 2nd sense it is next gen. You could argue.



Wii U is next gen, no ifs ands or buts. Dreamcast was next gen and many of its games were just ports of existing PSX/N64 franchises with slightly better graphics. It got blown away when PS2 came along less than a year later. Jaguar was next gen despite having a library that overall looked no better than some SNES games. And it too got blown away when the Saturn / PSX launched within a year later.

Graphics aren't everything, and they certainly don't determine when new console generations start.



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.