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Metallicube said:

The only thing I got is some third parties might be scared of their games competing directly with Nintendo's, as some admitted this gen, in which case they're probably not good enough anyway, and not worth my hard earned $.


oh that's a very good point :D I've never thought of it like that. But it's not always true though; I would like to be able to play Skyrim, Mass Effect, Batman and other big 3rd party games on my Nintendo console!!



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DanneSandin said:

What really strikes me isn't the article/column by itself - it's all the answers by ya'll here on VGC.

"Oh man, this article is so bias! Such pro-nintendo talk is offensive!" - I see several people say. But none of you never ever say that a "Nintendo is d00med" article is biased against Nintendo. I'm so sick of that mentality!


This forum, in my opinion at least, has a notable Sony bias. If MS or Nintendo were to do some of the things that Sony does you'd never hear the end of it.



The article on the WII U was clearly written from a emotional point of view. But to the critics, 95% of all articles about VG are similar.



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Darc Requiem said:
Mmmfishtacos said:
There's some people here thats going to be shocked after Nintendo settles back in 3rd place one more.


There fixed that for you. The biggest thing I always see when it comes to gaming as of late are people underestimating Nintendo and people being completely oblivious to Sony's financial situation.


You didn't fix anything, and don't do that again. People are too quick to throw Sony out when they not only won the last two gens but dominated like no other console could. I've given many reasons why i think they Wii U won't be as successful as the Wii. You haven't giving one why Sony can't come back. Who's the target market for the Wii U? It's not the same market they went after for the Wii. It's going to be too expensive. There's not much of an upgrade to haul gamers away from their PS3 or xbox360. It's the same games, they are looking worse with an incompetent online. Very little of the PS3/360 user base are going to jump over for ports and give up on their friends list, gamer score, and trophies and superior online systems.  They wii u should have been launched in the place of the wii, it's this gen releasing 6 years too late.  The only thing that's going to make the Wii u take off is a 200-250 dollar launch price and Mario.  It isn't going to be 3rd party ports, while they have Mario they won't have a 200-250 launch price. 



Darc Requiem said:
DanneSandin said:

What really strikes me isn't the article/column by itself - it's all the answers by ya'll here on VGC.

"Oh man, this article is so bias! Such pro-nintendo talk is offensive!" - I see several people say. But none of you never ever say that a "Nintendo is d00med" article is biased against Nintendo. I'm so sick of that mentality!


This forum, in my opinion at least, has a notable Sony bias. If MS or Nintendo were to do some of the things that Sony does you'd never hear the end of it.

I'd say that there's quite many Nintendo fans here as well, or maybe it's just me talking with those ppl and ignoring the rest ^^ It's like (from my POV, anyway) MS/Sony fans ganging up on Ninty



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Mmmfishtacos said:
Darc Requiem said:
Mmmfishtacos said:
There's some people here thats going to be shocked after Sony settles back in 3rd place one more.


There fixed that for you. The biggest thing I always see when it comes to gaming as of late are people underestimating Nintendo and people being completely oblivious to Sony's financial situation.

 

You didn't fix anything, and don't do that again. People are too quick to throw Sony out when they not only won the last two gens but dominated like no other console could. I've given many reasons why i think they Wii U won't be as successful as the Wii. You haven't giving one why Sony can't come back. Who's the target market for the Wii U? It's not the same market they went after for the Wii. It's going to be too expensive. There's not much of an upgrade to haul gamers away from their PS3 or xbox360. It's the same games, they are looking worse with an incompetent online. Very little of the PS3/360 user base are going to jump over for ports and give up on their friends list, gamer score, and trophies and superior online systems.  They wii u should have been launched in the place of the wii, it's this gen releasing 6 years too late.  The only thing that's going to make the Wii u take off is a 200-250 dollar launch price and Mario.  It isn't going to be 3rd party ports, while they have Mario they won't have a 200-250 launch price. 

 

Well, you gotta remember that prior to the release of PS1 Nintendo had won two generations in a row. Perhaps it's Microsofts turn to win 2 straight gens? But there's 2 things we have to remember: we have no specs for the WiiU, AND Sonys financials are pretty bad atm... They can't really afford a major leap the next gen (I would think anyway)



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DanneSandin said:
Mmmfishtacos said:
Darc Requiem said:
Mmmfishtacos said:
There's some people here thats going to be shocked after Sony settles back in 3rd place one more.


There fixed that for you. The biggest thing I always see when it comes to gaming as of late are people underestimating Nintendo and people being completely oblivious to Sony's financial situation.

 

You didn't fix anything, and don't do that again. People are too quick to throw Sony out when they not only won the last two gens but dominated like no other console could. I've given many reasons why i think they Wii U won't be as successful as the Wii. You haven't giving one why Sony can't come back. Who's the target market for the Wii U? It's not the same market they went after for the Wii. It's going to be too expensive. There's not much of an upgrade to haul gamers away from their PS3 or xbox360. It's the same games, they are looking worse with an incompetent online. Very little of the PS3/360 user base are going to jump over for ports and give up on their friends list, gamer score, and trophies and superior online systems.  They wii u should have been launched in the place of the wii, it's this gen releasing 6 years too late.  The only thing that's going to make the Wii u take off is a 200-250 dollar launch price and Mario.  It isn't going to be 3rd party ports, while they have Mario they won't have a 200-250 launch price. 

 

Well, you gotta remember that prior to the release of PS1 Nintendo had won two generations in a row. Perhaps it's Microsofts turn to win 2 straight gens? But there's 2 things we have to remember: we have no specs for the WiiU, AND Sonys financials are pretty bad atm... They can't really afford a major leap the next gen (I would think anyway)

We have a pretty good idea of what the Wii u can do. And it seems it could us a little more power, got to remember it's powering two screens, and if they want another game pad. That's even more power its going to need. Sony can afford a good leap, high end parts are cheaper than ever. Sony is moving away from the one off chips in favor of off the shelf parts that will be used and sold in millions of other devices. Look at the vita for example, sure it's cutting edge now. 6 months from now it won't be, those very same parts will be sold in tables and cell phone by all the major manufactures. What is this going to do? Drive down the cost of the parts and in turn drive down the cost of the vita. We could see 100 dollars cut off the vitas price by the end of 2013. Sony's assets alone are worth more than Nintendo. So don't be fooled, they have money.  



Mmmfishtacos said:
DanneSandin said:
Mmmfishtacos said:
Darc Requiem said:
Mmmfishtacos said:
There's some people here thats going to be shocked after Sony settles back in 3rd place one more.


There fixed that for you. The biggest thing I always see when it comes to gaming as of late are people underestimating Nintendo and people being completely oblivious to Sony's financial situation.

 

You didn't fix anything, and don't do that again. People are too quick to throw Sony out when they not only won the last two gens but dominated like no other console could. I've given many reasons why i think they Wii U won't be as successful as the Wii. You haven't giving one why Sony can't come back. Who's the target market for the Wii U? It's not the same market they went after for the Wii. It's going to be too expensive. There's not much of an upgrade to haul gamers away from their PS3 or xbox360. It's the same games, they are looking worse with an incompetent online. Very little of the PS3/360 user base are going to jump over for ports and give up on their friends list, gamer score, and trophies and superior online systems.  They wii u should have been launched in the place of the wii, it's this gen releasing 6 years too late.  The only thing that's going to make the Wii u take off is a 200-250 dollar launch price and Mario.  It isn't going to be 3rd party ports, while they have Mario they won't have a 200-250 launch price. 

 

Well, you gotta remember that prior to the release of PS1 Nintendo had won two generations in a row. Perhaps it's Microsofts turn to win 2 straight gens? But there's 2 things we have to remember: we have no specs for the WiiU, AND Sonys financials are pretty bad atm... They can't really afford a major leap the next gen (I would think anyway)

 

We have a pretty good idea of what the Wii u can do. And it seems it could us a little more power, got to remember it's powering two screens, and if they want another game pad. That's even more power its going to need. Sony can afford a good leap, high end parts are cheaper than ever. Sony is moving away from the one off chips in favor of off the shelf parts that will be used and sold in millions of other devices. Look at the vita for example, sure it's cutting edge now. 6 months from now it won't be, those very same parts will be sold in tables and cell phone by all the major manufactures. What is this going to do? Drive down the cost of the parts and in turn drive down the cost of the vita. We could see 100 dollars cut off the vitas price by the end of 2013. Sony's assets alone are worth more than Nintendo. So don't be fooled, they have money.  

 

''Sony's assets alone are worth more than Nintendo'' - I beg to differ my friend. 

Sony has as much assets as they do have debts. Nintendo on the other hand has NO debt and have roughly the same amount of cash than sony does (roughly 10 billion including cash and investments). Sony may still have money in the bank, however its debt is quickly rising. I am an owner of both a PS3 and Wii so please don't pull the Nintendrone card. I suggest visiting Nintendo's and Sony's Investors Relations, quite a bit of interesting info on financials.



Mmmfishtacos said:

We have a pretty good idea of what the Wii u can do. And it seems it could us a little more power, got to remember it's powering two screens, and if they want another game pad. That's even more power its going to need. Sony can afford a good leap, high end parts are cheaper than ever. Sony is moving away from the one off chips in favor of off the shelf parts that will be used and sold in millions of other devices. Look at the vita for example, sure it's cutting edge now. 6 months from now it won't be, those very same parts will be sold in tables and cell phone by all the major manufactures. What is this going to do? Drive down the cost of the parts and in turn drive down the cost of the vita. We could see 100 dollars cut off the vitas price by the end of 2013. Sony's assets alone are worth more than Nintendo. So don't be fooled, they have money.  

 

How do we have a good idea of what the WiiU can do? The PS3 launch games look nothing like its current games. Look at the Vita for what, whatever price cut it can get so can the 3DS. The PS4 is being doubted because Sony's past victorys came from 3rd party games not the price tag, or have you forgotten Ninty's consoles were cheaper? If they had money then the Vita would have received a price cut to increase its horrible sales or do you seriously believe Sony is ok with its terrible performance?



DieAppleDie said:
"Nintendo’s issues last generation were obvious. Their online interface wasn’t up to snuff, and their hardware support was lacking."
ill give you the online thing...even though Mario kart Wii was one of the most enjoyable online titles last gen....

but Nintendo supported the Wii with a plethora of multimillion sellers...3rd parties are guilty for the lack of hw, and when they released something it was utter crap (mostly)


The highest sellers on the Wii were mostly casual titles bundled with the consoles though. The biggest problem with the Wii is they wanted core games to sell better, but they just wouldnt. We all know why.