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HappySqurriel said:
Mmmfishtacos said:
HappySqurriel said:
Mmmfishtacos said:


Okay i'm done with you, Stopped reading when you called the ps3 an "utter flop". Grow up, stop trolling and learn a little. Dont even care what the rest of you post said.


Calling the PS3 an "utter flop" is only bad because he did not explain what he meant by that ...

When you consider that the PS3 sold at (roughly) half the rate of the PS2 there is a supportable argument that the PS3 could be seen as a flop/failure relative to the PS2. If you add profit/losses to the mix the PS3 can be seen as a disaster.

In contrast, in the grand scheme of things, the PS3 still sold far more units than most consoles and will likely end up as one of the best selling non-market leading consoles it can also be argued that the PS3 was not a flop/failure.

As with everything, it all depends on definitions.


The ps2 still has about 6 years of sales on the ps3, so by no definition can it be called a flop, nearly 50 million ps2 where sold along side of the ps3. He was blatantly trolling, and that's why i disregarded his post. His over all tone is hateful and full of spite.  I will not sit here and have childish hate full arguments with people. I have better things to do.

You're forgetting that the PS2 sold 127 Million units by the end of 2007, the PS3 has been selling at roughly half the rate of the PS2 as I said ...

With a new generation of consoles being released, the sales of current generation consoles will decline rather rapidly, and beyond 2014 there will be no meaningful sales of Wii, PS3 or XBox 360 systems. The PS3 will never sell to 66% of the total level that the PS2 did; and it may have difficulty selling 60% of the PS2's total.


And the ps3 has yet to see a 200 dollar price point. It's curently the best selling home console. Will it hit ps2 numbers? NO, will it become this gens leader? I think so.



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phenom08 said:
Mmmfishtacos said:
phenom08 said:
Mmmfishtacos said:

We have a pretty good idea of what the Wii u can do. And it seems it could us a little more power, got to remember it's powering two screens, and if they want another game pad. That's even more power its going to need. Sony can afford a good leap, high end parts are cheaper than ever. Sony is moving away from the one off chips in favor of off the shelf parts that will be used and sold in millions of other devices. Look at the vita for example, sure it's cutting edge now. 6 months from now it won't be, those very same parts will be sold in tables and cell phone by all the major manufactures. What is this going to do? Drive down the cost of the parts and in turn drive down the cost of the vita. We could see 100 dollars cut off the vitas price by the end of 2013. Sony's assets alone are worth more than Nintendo. So don't be fooled, they have money.  

 

How do we have a good idea of what the WiiU can do? The PS3 launch games look nothing like its current games. Look at the Vita for what, whatever price cut it can get so can the 3DS. The PS4 is being doubted because Sony's past victorys came from 3rd party games not the price tag, or have you forgotten Ninty's consoles were cheaper? If they had money then the Vita would have received a price cut to increase its horrible sales or do you seriously believe Sony is ok with its terrible performance?

Reading comprehensions is your friend. They may not be okay with it, but there sure aren't going to be okay with dropping the price so quickly and losing money on the systems. Nintendo made a knee jeark reaction to get the sale of the 3ds up to current levels and lost a bunch doing so. Theres no reason for sony to do the same. Ps3 was in the same sittuation and look where it's at now. the up side is sony has started to fill their stables with quality exlusives, they were more than willing to take risk to get new games out, and that has put them in a better sistuation for next gen. So what's you point? The game cube was dirt cheap and still couldn't manage to reach good sales even with Mairo. Look around the web and you'll see, theres plenty of people giving their impressions and developers and most of the aren't good. Victory from 3rd party? Well guess what Nintendo doesn't have? And really, there hasn't been a sony systems that we can consider a flop yet. Not one has sold as low as the Gamecube or 64. So your doubt is unfounded. What are you going to say when the PS3 passes the wii?

I can read fine lol, anyways no what Ninty did was keep the 3DS from selling poorly like the Vita. Ninty lost alot of money but no where near the amount Sony lost thanks to the PS3s utter flop lol. They posted a one year lost and expect to be profitable the very next year, meanwhile Sony posted a loss and will most likely post another this year as well. Look where the PS3 is now lol, still in 3rd place and no hopes of recovering its loss, yeah thats something to brag about. Quality exclusives according to you but sell poorly according to fiscal reports. "Put them in a better position for next gen", yeah just ask the Vita and its wonderful situation.

"The game cube was dirt cheap and still couldn't manage to reach good sales even with Mairo." What exactly is your point here lol, we clearly agree that a cheap price tag means nothing. But ok lets play this game, the gamecube had Mario Sunshine and Mario Kart Double Dash which were both outsold buy Sony exclusives like GT3 and GT4. If the Gamecube had NSMBWii then yea the Gamecube would have sold more obviously since NSMBWii has sold more than GT3 and GT4 has combined lol.

"Look around the web and you'll see, theres plenty of people giving their impressions and developers and most of the aren't good." Sounds like the Wii to me and many acticles i have seen have been good lol, but ok. Only the articles with unknown developers showed disinterest. I wonder why their unknown?

"And really, there hasn't been a sony systems that we can consider a flop yet. Not one has sold as low as the Gamecube or 64." Lol why exactly are they the parameters of success lol. How about this if the console doesn't crack 100 million then it isn't a success, or if it isnt the market leader then it isnt a success. Why should the PS3, PSP, or Vita be considered a success. You can only argue for the PSP, theres nothing pointing to it not making money and its userbase really isnt small. PS3 hell yes its a failure lol, it lost money and is still in dead last. Vita is selling as well as the Gamecube lol.

"What are you going to say when the PS3 passes the wii?" After this nonsense lol, i see no reason in taking you serious so once you reply to this dont worry about a reply. Im not gonna derail this thread any further, i wonder what you are gonna say when the PS4 flops along the lines of the Vita.

Good responses lol - and I think the PS3 is a flop! I don't see how you got from first to third and turn around and think all is well.



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DaRev said:
phenom08 said:

I can read fine lol, anyways no what Ninty did was keep the 3DS from selling poorly like the Vita. Ninty lost alot of money but no where near the amount Sony lost thanks to the PS3s utter flop lol. They posted a one year lost and expect to be profitable the very next year, meanwhile Sony posted a loss and will most likely post another this year as well. Look where the PS3 is now lol, still in 3rd place and no hopes of recovering its loss, yeah thats something to brag about. Quality exclusives according to you but sell poorly according to fiscal reports. "Put them in a better position for next gen", yeah just ask the Vita and its wonderful situation.

"The game cube was dirt cheap and still couldn't manage to reach good sales even with Mairo." What exactly is your point here lol, we clearly agree that a cheap price tag means nothing. But ok lets play this game, the gamecube had Mario Sunshine and Mario Kart Double Dash which were both outsold buy Sony exclusives like GT3 and GT4. If the Gamecube had NSMBWii then yea the Gamecube would have sold more obviously since NSMBWii has sold more than GT3 and GT4 has combined lol.

"Look around the web and you'll see, theres plenty of people giving their impressions and developers and most of the aren't good." Sounds like the Wii to me and many acticles i have seen have been good lol, but ok. Only the articles with unknown developers showed disinterest. I wonder why their unknown?

"And really, there hasn't been a sony systems that we can consider a flop yet. Not one has sold as low as the Gamecube or 64." Lol why exactly are they the parameters of success lol. How about this if the console doesn't crack 100 million then it isn't a success, or if it isnt the market leader then it isnt a success. Why should the PS3, PSP, or Vita be considered a success. You can only argue for the PSP, theres nothing pointing to it not making money and its userbase really isnt small. PS3 hell yes its a failure lol, it lost money and is still in dead last. Vita is selling as well as the Gamecube lol.

"What are you going to say when the PS3 passes the wii?" After this nonsense lol, i see no reason in taking you serious so once you reply to this dont worry about a reply. Im not gonna derail this thread any further, i wonder what you are gonna say when the PS4 flops along the lines of the Vita.

Good responses lol - and I think the PS3 is a flop! I don't see how you got from first to third and turn around and think all is well.

The PS3 is kind of the Gamecube in reverse, IMO.  The Gamecube had poor sales numbers, but was still a profitable endeavor for Nintendo.  The PS3, on the other hand, has amassed a good install base, but is a financial disaster for Sony, and has lost A LOT of its Playstation brand marketshare to the Xbox brand. 

As a gamer, I wouldn't call the PS3 a flop, but from Sony's point of view regarding their expectations, prior success, and non recoupable losses, I would.



Mmmfishtacos said:
Darc Requiem said:
Mmmfishtacos said:
There's some people here thats going to be shocked after Nintendo settles back in 3rd place one more.


There fixed that for you. The biggest thing I always see when it comes to gaming as of late are people underestimating Nintendo and people being completely oblivious to Sony's financial situation.

 

You didn't fix anything, and don't do that again. People are too quick to throw Sony out when they not only won the last two gens but dominated like no other console could. I've given many reasons why i think they Wii U won't be as successful as the Wii. You haven't giving one why Sony can't come back. Who's the target market for the Wii U? It's not the same market they went after for the Wii. It's going to be too expensive. There's not much of an upgrade to haul gamers away from their PS3 or xbox360. It's the same games, they are looking worse with an incompetent online. Very little of the PS3/360 user base are going to jump over for ports and give up on their friends list, gamer score, and trophies and superior online systems.  They wii u should have been launched in the place of the wii, it's this gen releasing 6 years too late.  The only thing that's going to make the Wii u take off is a 200-250 dollar launch price and Mario.  It isn't going to be 3rd party ports, while they have Mario they won't have a 200-250 launch price. 

 

You don't seem to have a good perspective of Sony's situation. Sony's financial situation is terrible. They've shown and inability to learn from their mistakes. Their strategy for success during the 5th and 6th console generation was due in large part to being able to leverage their larger financial coffers, Nintendo and Sega were smaller companies, to secure exclusive content. This also allowed them use a loss lead strategy on hardware. Microsoft has adopted this strategy unlike Sony, they still have the ability to employ it. Sony's market cap is lower than Nintendo's right now. Given the size difference in the two companies, that should give you inclination of how bad things are for Sony. The best thing Sony could do would be to adopt similar strategy to Nintendo. Sell hardware for a profit and leverage their first party software to ensure they'll profit no matter what their marketshare is.

Side note: You sound a lot like Nintendo fans during the N64 era. That era of gamer grew up with Nintendo being number 1 and they also couldn't fathom the company faltering. If Iwata hadn't place Yamauchi, Nintendo probably still would be struggling.  I'm not sure if Kaz will be able to turn things around. Iwata was an outsider. He brought new perspective to Nintendo. Kaz is an insider and he's been dealt a terrible hand by his two predecessors.



Mmmfishtacos said:
DanneSandin said:
Mmmfishtacos said:
Darc Requiem said:
Mmmfishtacos said:
There's some people here thats going to be shocked after Sony settles back in 3rd place one more.


There fixed that for you. The biggest thing I always see when it comes to gaming as of late are people underestimating Nintendo and people being completely oblivious to Sony's financial situation.

 

You didn't fix anything, and don't do that again. People are too quick to throw Sony out when they not only won the last two gens but dominated like no other console could. I've given many reasons why i think they Wii U won't be as successful as the Wii. You haven't giving one why Sony can't come back. Who's the target market for the Wii U? It's not the same market they went after for the Wii. It's going to be too expensive. There's not much of an upgrade to haul gamers away from their PS3 or xbox360. It's the same games, they are looking worse with an incompetent online. Very little of the PS3/360 user base are going to jump over for ports and give up on their friends list, gamer score, and trophies and superior online systems.  They wii u should have been launched in the place of the wii, it's this gen releasing 6 years too late.  The only thing that's going to make the Wii u take off is a 200-250 dollar launch price and Mario.  It isn't going to be 3rd party ports, while they have Mario they won't have a 200-250 launch price. 

 

Well, you gotta remember that prior to the release of PS1 Nintendo had won two generations in a row. Perhaps it's Microsofts turn to win 2 straight gens? But there's 2 things we have to remember: we have no specs for the WiiU, AND Sonys financials are pretty bad atm... They can't really afford a major leap the next gen (I would think anyway)

 

We have a pretty good idea of what the Wii u can do. And it seems it could us a little more power, got to remember it's powering two screens, and if they want another game pad. That's even more power its going to need. Sony can afford a good leap, high end parts are cheaper than ever. Sony is moving away from the one off chips in favor of off the shelf parts that will be used and sold in millions of other devices. Look at the vita for example, sure it's cutting edge now. 6 months from now it won't be, those very same parts will be sold in tables and cell phone by all the major manufactures. What is this going to do? Drive down the cost of the parts and in turn drive down the cost of the vita. We could see 100 dollars cut off the vitas price by the end of 2013. Sony's assets alone are worth more than Nintendo. So don't be fooled, they have money.  

 

INstead of writing a long reply, I'll just point you to all the other answers you've gotten in this thread. They seem to know their things better than I do. =)



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Torillian said:
DanneSandin said:

What really strikes me isn't the article/column by itself - it's all the answers by ya'll here on VGC.

"Oh man, this article is so bias! Such pro-nintendo talk is offensive!" - I see several people say. But none of you never ever say that a "Nintendo is d00med" article is biased against Nintendo. I'm so sick of that mentality!


More than likely it's people responding to the combination of article content and site name.  Heck if you put up an article about Nintendo being doomed next gen from MiyamotoCanSuckit.com then I'm sure people would have a similar response.

mmmm yea, I guess this is a ho topic lots of peeps care about =)



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