I never said that I thought it couldn't do good on it's own, I just said I didn't like it.

@Mac comment I used to have a PC so I know what it's like to have to deal with PC Games.

It's ok, I think he's upset that he's that other guy that owns a white macbook....

Like stated above, I was just explaining that Multimedia and PC's in now more accessible in the living room, like Google/Apple tv.

Also, the good point of a PC is the upgrade potential, that will be in the next few weeks.

That's really why I bought a Mac. 

No point in my PC if I don't use it as a gaming thingie so I just got a Mac.

and the point to buy a mac as little kid instead of a pc? to listen to music and surf on the internet? pie, you could have used a pc for that as well... i don't really see why a kid needs a mac. not because of the price but as example for school, isn't a pc much better with the programs you have to use there? no clue how school works nowadays but over 10 years ago when i was at school i had to use a lot of pcs and since you also need a pc in most jobs it's probably better to use that all the time. i understand if someone, let's say a designer, prefers a mac for some apple programs or so but as kid you don't use these programs made for adults.

I got my Mac because it works better for the stuff I need it to do. I also got one because I was tired of Windows 7.

But this thread is not about Mac Vs. PC.

sure it's not about mac vs. pc as "what is better in general". like i already said i understand that some people have a better usage for a mac in their job but you said you listen to music and surf on the internet with your mac, that's not really a reason to prefer a mac above a pc if you are at school and could use pc skills for more than just surfing. i believe i had 4 hours informatics at school per week and it was pretty helpful to have exactly he same programs at home to learn with. but yeah, maybe you don't need to learn to handle all the pc stuff i had to.

I would like to think that American schools would require you to know more about programs and computers, but I don't think they do. I'm pretty sure you just need to know how to print a paper and maybe occasionally a graph or two. Why someone would pay over 1500 for that I don't know. Cetainly don't need a personal laptop age to do school work assuming the household has a desktop.

@Mr Puggsly + sega4life

I wasn't boasting, quite the opposite in fact.  I clearly have a weak machine, but that thing from a few years earlier was very weak even for its time.  Trying to brag that such a huge box with 'multimedia capabilities' is living room friendly is silly.   So many more HTPCs (even some real nice PC laptops) can do at least as much, and at the same and cost less (from that time period or otherwise).  And UPGRADE POTENTIAL?  That thing maxes out at 2GB 533Hz RAM... and it retailed for $2k.  Certain rigs, like that one, were made to look better than others and cost much more.  I think you both miss the point of what an appealing HTPC really looks like, and what better deals there are out there.  You may continue trying to argue how my opinion is without merit, but you fail to make a point of how that particular machine fits into this thread to any effective degree.  When "what the h*ll is that thing?" comes up right away, maybe its because that machine isn't a great example of the point you're trying to make.

I don't know what you've been playing but the vast majority of PC games are easy to install and play on a modern system. It takes longer to install a PC game? It also happens to load faster every time I launch it thereafter. Enter a single code to install the game? No biggie, takes less than a minute. Link a game to Steam or Origin? Again, takes seconds and has perks. I update my drivers a couple times a year and that's both easy and sufficient. Tweaking settings, using beta drivers, editing ini files? I've had to do the first a couple dozen times, again no big deal. I've never needed a beta driver and I've had to edit ini files maybe three or four times in my life. It seems that despite the fact that I've played hundreds of PC games I've had less problems then you. What type of setup could possibly cause so much trouble?

Stop pretending PC gaming isn't a constant hassle. You claim to have played hundreds of PC games and yet deny there's a lot of hassle, frustration and time spent on solving all kinds of problems. I'm a smart guy and I've been playing on PC since 1995, I know exactly how it is. Some problems are even so complicated that a person with average IQ isn't able to solve them. I've been forced to help my friends get their games to work time and time again.

The OS, games, drivers and patches have become much more stable and compatible over the years but a PC gamer still has to spend significant time solving problems. Now we're all different, many PC gamers I know actually like to solve problems and mess around with settings and hardware rather than actually play the games, but if you're a plug & play person and want to experience lots of games, then PC gaming will frustrate you a lot.