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Significant_leap said:
if people are trying to bring me down it only means that i am above them


How am i supposed to bring someone down that cant possibly sink any further :P

 

In all seriousness, you thought i was trying  to ''bring you down''  with my post? 



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o_O.Q said:
homer said:
o_O.Q said:


Off the top of my head, Infamous and Uncharted. I remember when I got that game, I was convinced that they were made by the same dev. The controls are extremely similar. Circle equals cover and roll. Same way of shooting. Same sticky fingers platforming. Also, look at how many direct sequels were made. If Nintendo were like sony, we would have had DKCR 1 2 and 3 by now. Same with Mario. We would have had more Metroids too. In fact, I wish that we could have more sequels on Nintendo consoles as long as we don't go Sony's route and sacrifice quality for the sake of pumping out sequels.

homer said:



lol really? infamous and uncharted? you mean these 2 games right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX4tRgKFdbw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jLv6pR6ZSk

 

dkcr and nsmb

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVq7XNV7K0w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxgn9cRBeGU

 

sm almost 20 years ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hnzqi0zwZIU

sorry but i wholeheartedly disagree with your opinion

 

"If Nintendo were like sony, we would have had DKCR 1 2 and 3 by now"

weren't three mario games just announced at E3?

I'm not going to bother clicking you links because I've played both games and platinumed 4 of the 5 and can say with full confidence yes, they play remarkibly similar especially in the beginning.  As for your second pair of links, I have played and beaten both games and yes, both play remarkably similarly. To be fair, there was no infamous 20 years ago nor were that many if any relevant 3d shooter games and especially not 3d shooter sandboxes. Also, Nintendo skipped two generations of 2d mario, so I don't see why you posting that video is relevant unless you are trying to say that 2d games haven't changed the way they play at which point I would say, "You don't say?"Also, they only released one 2d mario on the ds and wii despite them selling extremely well. You can't deny that had that been sony, we would have been subjected to a trilogy or more of games. Look at Gran Turismo. They can't crank them out fast enough, so instead they resort to selling you demos lol.  As for 3 Mario games. What is the third one? I know of the wiiu one and the 3ds one but both were announced way before e3 and are on different platforms. I assume the third isn't even in the same genre but whatever.


yeah i can see how being a superhero who can fly, glide, zip line to objects in addition to a plethora of other abilities can be likened to an adventurer who has no such powers... whatever its your opinion

"You can't deny that had that been sony, we would have been subjected to a trilogy or more of games. Look at Gran Turismo. They can't crank them out fast enough, so instead they resort to selling you demos lol."

the funny bit about this is that you wind up contradicting your own point lol

"What is the third one?"

paper mario which is i agree different to the other 2

The way to compare them is very misleading. What if I were to say, yeah, an italian plumber clearly is similar to an ape in a tie. -_- A slow gorilla is a whole lot like an agile plumber. The similarities in gameplay are obvious to those who have played both whether it be between DK and Mario or infamous and Uncharted. You have to remember, how much real variance can you have in a 2d side scroller? Everything separating Uncharted and Infamous is minor considering the fact that they handle nearly identically.  Platforming is Identical, shooting mechanics are identical. One can zap stuff, the other uses gun. Ooooh. Clearly there is a HUGE difference. -_-

I made a generalization. Of course there are exceptions. I just pointed it out so you didn't have to and I pointed out how even though they couldn't crank out a trilogy, they made sure to sucker 4 million people into buying a demo of a project. Imo, I think it would have reflected better on sony had they just released a trilogy instead of charging for a demo.

Also wasn't announced at e3 but a while back but that fact doesn't really matter considering you admitted that your quip about 3 mario games was misleading.



"Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth." -My good friend Mark Aurelius

Player1x3 said:
Significant_leap said:
each game focuses on different aspects, if you cant see beyond the art style then...you have a problem.

thats the difference
Sony games= same experience, different suit
Nintendo= Different experience, same suit


LittleBigPlanet 2 alone easaly offers more various experiences than most Nintendo games on Wii  combined

I doubt you have played the wii outside of wii sports and party games so I understand why you would reach that conclusion. Also LBP2? LBP has the worst art style I have ever seen. Ugly art style and a cute mascot. Such a shame. The only thing LBP does better than wii games is allowing Sony gamers to mass produce phallic symbols lol. 



"Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth." -My good friend Mark Aurelius

Significant_leap said:
each game focuses on different aspects, if you cant see beyond the art style then...you have a problem.

thats the difference
Sony games= same experience, different suit
Nintendo= Different experience, same suit


Most Nintendo games are the same experiences. People just love to see whats next with Nintendo though. Sony's games are warranted because they have finite stories.



o_O.Q
one focuses on the asymetric 5 player multiplayer
the other on coin collection and 2 player co-op
the 3rd you mentioned is an rpg
so are 2 Mario games that look similar on two different platforms
how is that comparable to 3 uncharted + the last of us, 4 games that are basically the same on the same platform?



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homer said:
o_O.Q said:
homer said:
o_O.Q said:


Off the top of my head, Infamous and Uncharted. I remember when I got that game, I was convinced that they were made by the same dev. The controls are extremely similar. Circle equals cover and roll. Same way of shooting. Same sticky fingers platforming. Also, look at how many direct sequels were made. If Nintendo were like sony, we would have had DKCR 1 2 and 3 by now. Same with Mario. We would have had more Metroids too. In fact, I wish that we could have more sequels on Nintendo consoles as long as we don't go Sony's route and sacrifice quality for the sake of pumping out sequels.

homer said:



lol really? infamous and uncharted? you mean these 2 games right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX4tRgKFdbw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jLv6pR6ZSk

 

dkcr and nsmb

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVq7XNV7K0w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxgn9cRBeGU

 

sm almost 20 years ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hnzqi0zwZIU

sorry but i wholeheartedly disagree with your opinion

 

"If Nintendo were like sony, we would have had DKCR 1 2 and 3 by now"

weren't three mario games just announced at E3?

I'm not going to bother clicking you links because I've played both games and platinumed 4 of the 5 and can say with full confidence yes, they play remarkibly similar especially in the beginning.  As for your second pair of links, I have played and beaten both games and yes, both play remarkably similarly. To be fair, there was no infamous 20 years ago nor were that many if any relevant 3d shooter games and especially not 3d shooter sandboxes. Also, Nintendo skipped two generations of 2d mario, so I don't see why you posting that video is relevant unless you are trying to say that 2d games haven't changed the way they play at which point I would say, "You don't say?"Also, they only released one 2d mario on the ds and wii despite them selling extremely well. You can't deny that had that been sony, we would have been subjected to a trilogy or more of games. Look at Gran Turismo. They can't crank them out fast enough, so instead they resort to selling you demos lol.  As for 3 Mario games. What is the third one? I know of the wiiu one and the 3ds one but both were announced way before e3 and are on different platforms. I assume the third isn't even in the same genre but whatever.


yeah i can see how being a superhero who can fly, glide, zip line to objects in addition to a plethora of other abilities can be likened to an adventurer who has no such powers... whatever its your opinion

"You can't deny that had that been sony, we would have been subjected to a trilogy or more of games. Look at Gran Turismo. They can't crank them out fast enough, so instead they resort to selling you demos lol."

the funny bit about this is that you wind up contradicting your own point lol

"What is the third one?"

paper mario which is i agree different to the other 2

The way to compare them is very misleading. What if I were to say, yeah, an italian plumber clearly is similar to an ape in a tie. -_- A slow gorilla is a whole lot like an agile plumber. The similarities in gameplay are obvious to those who have played both whether it be between DK and Mario or infamous and Uncharted. You have to remember, how much real variance can you have in a 2d side scroller? Everything separating Uncharted and Infamous is minor considering the fact that they handle nearly identically.  Platforming is Identical, shooting mechanics are identical. One can zap stuff, the other uses gun. Ooooh. Clearly there is a HUGE difference. -_-

I made a generalization. Of course there are exceptions. I just pointed it out so you didn't have to and I pointed out how even though they couldn't crank out a trilogy, they made sure to sucker 4 million people into buying a demo of a project. Imo, I think it would have reflected better on sony had they just released a trilogy instead of charging for a demo.

Also wasn't announced at e3 but a while back but that fact doesn't really matter considering you admitted that your quip about 3 mario games was misleading.

Italian plumber jumps and runs from left to right to reach an end to a linear 2D level.

Ape in a tie jumps and runs from left to right to reach an end to a linear 2D level.

 

One has countless superpowers, karmic choices, open world sandbox, side missions, upgrades, XP, USG, separate endings, complete freedom

Other discovers treasures, shoots from cover, has meele scriped events, linear story, linear levels, same outcomes, action sequences., huge attention to detail.

the ONLY, i repeat THE ONLY similaraty between the 2 is that you press L1 to aim. Thats it !



homer said:
Player1x3 said:
Significant_leap said:
each game focuses on different aspects, if you cant see beyond the art style then...you have a problem.

thats the difference
Sony games= same experience, different suit
Nintendo= Different experience, same suit


LittleBigPlanet 2 alone easaly offers more various experiences than most Nintendo games on Wii  combined

I doubt you have played the wii outside of wii sports and party games so I understand why you would reach that conclusion. Also LBP2? LBP has the worst art style I have ever seen. Ugly art style and a cute mascot. Such a shame. The only thing LBP does better than wii games is allowing Sony gamers to mass produce phallic symbols lol. 

Thats your opinnion which is irrelevant to the matter. Art style is also completly irrelevant. The fact remains, LBP offers a lot more variety in experience than any other Nintendo game ever



Significant_leap said:
o_O.Q
one focuses on the asymetric 5 player multiplayer
the other on coin collection and 2 player co-op
the 3rd you mentioned is an rpg
so are 2 Mario games that look similar on two different platforms
how is that comparable to 3 uncharted + the last of us, 4 games that are basically the same on the same platform?


Sony has a game with 256 players. The numbers game doesn't suit you.

Sony has multiple community creation games.

They have multiple platformers.

They have multiple Action Adventure  games.

They have a hot sports simulation. 

They have three exclusive multiplayer FPS titles.

They have party games just like  Nintendo. 

I could go on...want to? The numbers game is easy when it comes to Sony.



homer said:
o_O.Q said:
homer said:
o_O.Q said:


Off the top of my head, Infamous and Uncharted. I remember when I got that game, I was convinced that they were made by the same dev. The controls are extremely similar. Circle equals cover and roll. Same way of shooting. Same sticky fingers platforming. Also, look at how many direct sequels were made. If Nintendo were like sony, we would have had DKCR 1 2 and 3 by now. Same with Mario. We would have had more Metroids too. In fact, I wish that we could have more sequels on Nintendo consoles as long as we don't go Sony's route and sacrifice quality for the sake of pumping out sequels.

homer said:



lol really? infamous and uncharted? you mean these 2 games right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX4tRgKFdbw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jLv6pR6ZSk

 

dkcr and nsmb

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVq7XNV7K0w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxgn9cRBeGU

 

sm almost 20 years ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hnzqi0zwZIU

sorry but i wholeheartedly disagree with your opinion

 

"If Nintendo were like sony, we would have had DKCR 1 2 and 3 by now"

weren't three mario games just announced at E3?

I'm not going to bother clicking you links because I've played both games and platinumed 4 of the 5 and can say with full confidence yes, they play remarkibly similar especially in the beginning.  As for your second pair of links, I have played and beaten both games and yes, both play remarkably similarly. To be fair, there was no infamous 20 years ago nor were that many if any relevant 3d shooter games and especially not 3d shooter sandboxes. Also, Nintendo skipped two generations of 2d mario, so I don't see why you posting that video is relevant unless you are trying to say that 2d games haven't changed the way they play at which point I would say, "You don't say?"Also, they only released one 2d mario on the ds and wii despite them selling extremely well. You can't deny that had that been sony, we would have been subjected to a trilogy or more of games. Look at Gran Turismo. They can't crank them out fast enough, so instead they resort to selling you demos lol.  As for 3 Mario games. What is the third one? I know of the wiiu one and the 3ds one but both were announced way before e3 and are on different platforms. I assume the third isn't even in the same genre but whatever.


yeah i can see how being a superhero who can fly, glide, zip line to objects in addition to a plethora of other abilities can be likened to an adventurer who has no such powers... whatever its your opinion

"You can't deny that had that been sony, we would have been subjected to a trilogy or more of games. Look at Gran Turismo. They can't crank them out fast enough, so instead they resort to selling you demos lol."

the funny bit about this is that you wind up contradicting your own point lol

"What is the third one?"

paper mario which is i agree different to the other 2

The way to compare them is very misleading. What if I were to say, yeah, an italian plumber clearly is similar to an ape in a tie. -_- A slow gorilla is a whole lot like an agile plumber. The similarities in gameplay are obvious to those who have played both whether it be between DK and Mario or infamous and Uncharted. You have to remember, how much real variance can you have in a 2d side scroller? Everything separating Uncharted and Infamous is minor considering the fact that they handle nearly identically.  Platforming is Identical, shooting mechanics are identical. One can zap stuff, the other uses gun. Ooooh. Clearly there is a HUGE difference. -_-

I made a generalization. Of course there are exceptions. I just pointed it out so you didn't have to and I pointed out how even though they couldn't crank out a trilogy, they made sure to sucker 4 million people into buying a demo of a project. Imo, I think it would have reflected better on sony had they just released a trilogy instead of charging for a demo.

Also wasn't announced at e3 but a while back but that fact doesn't really matter considering you admitted that your quip about 3 mario games was misleading.

"Platforming is Identical, shooting mechanics are identical."

simply put wrong and regardless is platforming and shooting all there is to infamous?

by the middle of infamous 2 i didn't even have to climb buildings 

and at about 75% when i got the lightning tether if i needed to get to the top of a building i'd simply grapple myself up 

are you sure you payed the game? or maybe its that you didn't understand how to play?

in terms of shooting i could name tons of ways that cole's powers allowed for taking out enemies that are nonexistant in uncharted some involving shooting and others not involving shooting

but of course because you're trying to make a point ( that really makes no sense at all ) all of cole's powers can be condensed to "zapping stuff" lmfao

 

"they made sure to sucker 4 million people into buying a demo of a project"

the game released had a lot of content and was sold at a discounted price... so i don't get your point, its up to the consumer to determine if the product is valuable enough to warrant a purchase and obvious 4 mil did

 

edit : "I made a generalization. Of course there are exceptions"

to say exceptions implies that there were many trilogies this gen... how many were there in reality compared to franchises that got 2 or less entries?



Player1x3 said:
homer said:
o_O.Q said:
homer said:
o_O.Q said:


Off the top of my head, Infamous and Uncharted. I remember when I got that game, I was convinced that they were made by the same dev. The controls are extremely similar. Circle equals cover and roll. Same way of shooting. Same sticky fingers platforming. Also, look at how many direct sequels were made. If Nintendo were like sony, we would have had DKCR 1 2 and 3 by now. Same with Mario. We would have had more Metroids too. In fact, I wish that we could have more sequels on Nintendo consoles as long as we don't go Sony's route and sacrifice quality for the sake of pumping out sequels.

homer said:



lol really? infamous and uncharted? you mean these 2 games right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX4tRgKFdbw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jLv6pR6ZSk

 

dkcr and nsmb

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVq7XNV7K0w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxgn9cRBeGU

 

sm almost 20 years ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hnzqi0zwZIU

sorry but i wholeheartedly disagree with your opinion

 

"If Nintendo were like sony, we would have had DKCR 1 2 and 3 by now"

weren't three mario games just announced at E3?

I'm not going to bother clicking you links because I've played both games and platinumed 4 of the 5 and can say with full confidence yes, they play remarkibly similar especially in the beginning.  As for your second pair of links, I have played and beaten both games and yes, both play remarkably similarly. To be fair, there was no infamous 20 years ago nor were that many if any relevant 3d shooter games and especially not 3d shooter sandboxes. Also, Nintendo skipped two generations of 2d mario, so I don't see why you posting that video is relevant unless you are trying to say that 2d games haven't changed the way they play at which point I would say, "You don't say?"Also, they only released one 2d mario on the ds and wii despite them selling extremely well. You can't deny that had that been sony, we would have been subjected to a trilogy or more of games. Look at Gran Turismo. They can't crank them out fast enough, so instead they resort to selling you demos lol.  As for 3 Mario games. What is the third one? I know of the wiiu one and the 3ds one but both were announced way before e3 and are on different platforms. I assume the third isn't even in the same genre but whatever.


yeah i can see how being a superhero who can fly, glide, zip line to objects in addition to a plethora of other abilities can be likened to an adventurer who has no such powers... whatever its your opinion

"You can't deny that had that been sony, we would have been subjected to a trilogy or more of games. Look at Gran Turismo. They can't crank them out fast enough, so instead they resort to selling you demos lol."

the funny bit about this is that you wind up contradicting your own point lol

"What is the third one?"

paper mario which is i agree different to the other 2

The way to compare them is very misleading. What if I were to say, yeah, an italian plumber clearly is similar to an ape in a tie. -_- A slow gorilla is a whole lot like an agile plumber. The similarities in gameplay are obvious to those who have played both whether it be between DK and Mario or infamous and Uncharted. You have to remember, how much real variance can you have in a 2d side scroller? Everything separating Uncharted and Infamous is minor considering the fact that they handle nearly identically.  Platforming is Identical, shooting mechanics are identical. One can zap stuff, the other uses gun. Ooooh. Clearly there is a HUGE difference. -_-

I made a generalization. Of course there are exceptions. I just pointed it out so you didn't have to and I pointed out how even though they couldn't crank out a trilogy, they made sure to sucker 4 million people into buying a demo of a project. Imo, I think it would have reflected better on sony had they just released a trilogy instead of charging for a demo.

Also wasn't announced at e3 but a while back but that fact doesn't really matter considering you admitted that your quip about 3 mario games was misleading.

Italian plumber jumps and runs from left to right to reach an end to a linear 2D level.

Ape in a tie jumps and runs from left to right to reach an end to a linear 2D level.

 

One has countless superpowers, karmic choices, open world sandbox, side missions, upgrades, XP, USG, separate endings, complete freedom

Other discovers treasures, shoots from cover, has meele scriped events, linear story, linear levels, same outcomes, action sequences., huge attention to detail.

the ONLY, i repeat THE ONLY similaraty between the 2 is that you press L1 to aim. Thats it !


The only things Infamous truly has over Uncharted is a flawed karma system and an open world. You fail to see how insignificant the rest are when the games play fundamentally the same. Also, freedom in a cage lol? Uncharted's cage is just much smaller lol.

BOTH have treasures(blast shards much?)

BOTH are third person shooters

BOTH have cover systems

BOTH have scripted events

BOTH have action sequences

BOTH have QTE's

Your grasping at straws here bud and some of your post is an outright lie.

I don't see how being graphically different matters when you yourself said art style doesn't matter. That's a contradiction isn't it?

Shooting mechanics are pretty much the same. Platforming mechanics ARE the same. The rest of the differences are minute at best when you realize they play exactly the same.

For the record, o never said Mario and DK aren't similar, you clearly assumed I did. 'm just saying, don't point you finger because every time you, 3 more are pointing back at you.(cheesy, but relevant)

Lastly, regardless of whether or not you will see the numerous similarites, I think you are misinterpretting what I was trying to say because I didn't hammer it in so I will put it bluntly. Sony doesn't need many franchises with the same exact gameplay because they release multiple sequels over a relatively short period of time.



"Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth." -My good friend Mark Aurelius