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Nintendo needs to strengthen their third-party support, because Sony and Microsoft are finding ways to offer consumers so much more than just a game console, while still maintaining the game console at the core.

As for the Sony studios being closed? Zipper Interactive developed 3 games that sold terribly (Socom 4, Unit 13) or didn't perform well enough to cover the cost of running consistent online servers (MAG).

And BigBig Studios wasted time and didn't get anything going on their own after Sony bought them out. Look at the other company that was bought at the same time BigBig Studios was (Evolution Studios) and you see that Sony was a little too optimistic with BBS. Zipper just fell apart, I'm not sure what happened with them, but they killed themselves. The fact is though is Sony isn't aggressively going after third-party exclusives as much anymore, because they are spending that money on internal investments. Zipper and BigBig were shut down, but Sony still has the most first-party studios.

If Nintendo is not careful they will not perform like they did with the Wii. Any negative press will dampen the Wii "brand". Just look at PlayStation. It use to sell millions and millions on just the name. Then Sony closed their doors and stopped being developer/publisher friendly like they were for the PS1/PS2. As a result the third-party devs decided that if they were going to have any shot of staying around, they had to get their games in front of as many gamers as they could and the era of console exclusives started coming to an end.



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No Nintendo should go after third parties -- not in a bidding war for any particular game, but through ensuring developers have the tools to easily port games to WiiU and so publishers understand the opportunity. Also Nintendo should enter a bidding war to ensure that Epic goes back to the drawing board on Unreal Engine 4 since currently it is doing things with lighting and particle effects simply isn't realistic on the WiiU, and if your missing the most popular engine on your console it'll make third parties think twice before porting games over.



oniyide said:
menx64 said:
oniyide said:
I like this article, BUT if Ninty doesnt do these back deals and there system doesnt get those games, then the cycle of tears will just continue. As funny as it is, it would be said. BUT if you really only care about Ninty games then that wouldnt bother you anyway. Everyone wins (except for the single console owners...oh well)

 I am a single console owner and I am fine like that. I bet 80% of the people who bought a wii (35% nintendo-fans/55% casual gamers) didnt care about the third party support at all. People on gaming boards complained about not getting some games (which is fine) but I bet the huge majority of the userbase didnt care a bit.

yup your right. 


actually he is not. there is an aditional 10% people he accidently absorbed by his numbers 80% != 35% + 55% = 90%.

Also to say that all nintendo fans didn't care is wrong too. I cared. I wanted GTA on Wii as an example. Why you ask? because the fact is I wanted to experiece GTA and those other gameds missed with the wii remote. Godfather port (the poor cousin of GTA) was actually well exectued with Wii Remote. ANother example is Resident Evil 5, it would have been fantastic if they implemented RE4 controls. Metal Gear SOlid 4 would have been nice withh wii remote.

COD is a good exam where a game wasn't as graphically well done and had less enemies on screen but yet the controls made the game fun. It felt so natural over dual analoges. But at the end of the day, COD games were somewhat lazy made (ie could have pushed gfx a bit better if wanted to), but still much better than most crap which just had slapped on waggle.

The same thing will go for WiiU. If the tablet is genuienly something that adds to the immersion of gaming, I would want to experience some of those 3rd party games with the tablet to see what it could do.

At the end of the day, Nintendo needs to work hard to get these big franchises that cater for the adult western market. Or start creating new AAA IPs that will cater to the adult western market (i.e a FPS, Racing Sim).

 

 

 



 

 

Cobretti2 said:
oniyide said:
menx64 said:
oniyide said:
I like this article, BUT if Ninty doesnt do these back deals and there system doesnt get those games, then the cycle of tears will just continue. As funny as it is, it would be said. BUT if you really only care about Ninty games then that wouldnt bother you anyway. Everyone wins (except for the single console owners...oh well)

 I am a single console owner and I am fine like that. I bet 80% of the people who bought a wii (35% nintendo-fans/55% casual gamers) didnt care about the third party support at all. People on gaming boards complained about not getting some games (which is fine) but I bet the huge majority of the userbase didnt care a bit.

yup your right. 


actually he is not. there is an aditional 10% people he accidently absorbed by his numbers 80% != 35% + 55% = 90%.

Also to say that all nintendo fans didn't care is wrong too. I cared. I wanted GTA on Wii as an example. Why you ask? because the fact is I wanted to experiece GTA and those other gameds missed with the wii remote. Godfather port (the poor cousin of GTA) was actually well exectued with Wii Remote. ANother example is Resident Evil 5, it would have been fantastic if they implemented RE4 controls. Metal Gear SOlid 4 would have been nice withh wii remote.

COD is a good exam where a game wasn't as graphically well done and had less enemies on screen but yet the controls made the game fun. It felt so natural over dual analoges. But at the end of the day, COD games were somewhat lazy made (ie could have pushed gfx a bit better if wanted to), but still much better than most crap which just had slapped on waggle.

The same thing will go for WiiU. If the tablet is genuienly something that adds to the immersion of gaming, I would want to experience some of those 3rd party games with the tablet to see what it could do.

At the end of the day, Nintendo needs to work hard to get these big franchises that cater for the adult western market. Or start creating new AAA IPs that will cater to the adult western market (i.e a FPS, Racing Sim).

 

 

 


35+55 = 80%??? God, I feel like an idiot now...

 Anyways, I do agree that if nintendo wants to get more western gamers on board, they should focus on getting some of those games. GTA & COD probably the most important ones on that matter. However my point was that the mayority of the userbase really didnt care about the call of duties, Assassins creed, or bioshock games... 



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When you break it down, Nintendo, just like Microsoft and Sony, is a business. They are in it to make money. Bottom line. Nintendo had huge success with the casual audience with the Wii, so I don't blame them for sticking the Wii name on it, or not wanting to focus on hardcore gamers. Nintendo is gonna do whatever they need to do in order to maximize profit. Simple economics. Nintendo isn't willing to be as flexible with their money as Microsoft or Sony is, because Ninty is a smaller company. They don't offer the wide variety of products and services that the others do. They may not have the money to buy third party developers. But, they do a fine job without them. I don't think it would be a "Nintendo" game if Ninty didn't make it. It probably wouldn't be as successful either. Bottom line is, Nintendo knows how to make their games good, and they don't need any help.



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menx64 said:
Cobretti2 said:
oniyide said:
menx64 said:
oniyide said:
I like this article, BUT if Ninty doesnt do these back deals and there system doesnt get those games, then the cycle of tears will just continue. As funny as it is, it would be said. BUT if you really only care about Ninty games then that wouldnt bother you anyway. Everyone wins (except for the single console owners...oh well)

 I am a single console owner and I am fine like that. I bet 80% of the people who bought a wii (35% nintendo-fans/55% casual gamers) didnt care about the third party support at all. People on gaming boards complained about not getting some games (which is fine) but I bet the huge majority of the userbase didnt care a bit.

yup your right. 


actually he is not. there is an aditional 10% people he accidently absorbed by his numbers 80% != 35% + 55% = 90%.

Also to say that all nintendo fans didn't care is wrong too. I cared. I wanted GTA on Wii as an example. Why you ask? because the fact is I wanted to experiece GTA and those other gameds missed with the wii remote. Godfather port (the poor cousin of GTA) was actually well exectued with Wii Remote. ANother example is Resident Evil 5, it would have been fantastic if they implemented RE4 controls. Metal Gear SOlid 4 would have been nice withh wii remote.

COD is a good exam where a game wasn't as graphically well done and had less enemies on screen but yet the controls made the game fun. It felt so natural over dual analoges. But at the end of the day, COD games were somewhat lazy made (ie could have pushed gfx a bit better if wanted to), but still much better than most crap which just had slapped on waggle.

The same thing will go for WiiU. If the tablet is genuienly something that adds to the immersion of gaming, I would want to experience some of those 3rd party games with the tablet to see what it could do.

At the end of the day, Nintendo needs to work hard to get these big franchises that cater for the adult western market. Or start creating new AAA IPs that will cater to the adult western market (i.e a FPS, Racing Sim).

 

 

 


35+55 = 80%??? God, I feel like an idiot now...

 Anyways, I do agree that if nintendo wants to get more western gamers on board, they should focus on getting some of those games. GTA & COD probably the most important ones on that matter. However my point was that the mayority of the userbase really didnt care about the call of duties, Assassins creed, or bioshock games... 


agree with you, but those people are also the ones that did not see the potential of the Wii Remote apart from shacking their booty around in Just Dance (if you ever seen the Just Dance, it is so unresponsive yet people still have fun, and guess what the latest controls are as unresponsive because just a copy and paste since it keeps selling), Fitness games and wii Sports.

Put it this way, If Wii had a regular controller, I would not have missed those core games I mentioned on Wii so much. Especially when the few games I mentioned worked (two of which had added wii remote controls to ports) great and would have worked great for similar games (if controls built from ground up and not tacky).



 

 

I agree at some points,Nintendo should be nintendo,don't try to be sony or microsoft.
But still,3rd party supports are needed to grow the user base,the hardest question that will determine the success of wiiU is"How can nintendo get 3rd partys onboard?"



Cobretti2 said:
oniyide said:
menx64 said:
oniyide said:
I like this article, BUT if Ninty doesnt do these back deals and there system doesnt get those games, then the cycle of tears will just continue. As funny as it is, it would be said. BUT if you really only care about Ninty games then that wouldnt bother you anyway. Everyone wins (except for the single console owners...oh well)

 I am a single console owner and I am fine like that. I bet 80% of the people who bought a wii (35% nintendo-fans/55% casual gamers) didnt care about the third party support at all. People on gaming boards complained about not getting some games (which is fine) but I bet the huge majority of the userbase didnt care a bit.

yup your right. 


actually he is not. there is an aditional 10% people he accidently absorbed by his numbers 80% != 35% + 55% = 90%.

Also to say that all nintendo fans didn't care is wrong too. I cared. I wanted GTA on Wii as an example. Why you ask? because the fact is I wanted to experiece GTA and those other gameds missed with the wii remote. Godfather port (the poor cousin of GTA) was actually well exectued with Wii Remote. ANother example is Resident Evil 5, it would have been fantastic if they implemented RE4 controls. Metal Gear SOlid 4 would have been nice withh wii remote.

COD is a good exam where a game wasn't as graphically well done and had less enemies on screen but yet the controls made the game fun. It felt so natural over dual analoges. But at the end of the day, COD games were somewhat lazy made (ie could have pushed gfx a bit better if wanted to), but still much better than most crap which just had slapped on waggle.

The same thing will go for WiiU. If the tablet is genuienly something that adds to the immersion of gaming, I would want to experience some of those 3rd party games with the tablet to see what it could do.

At the end of the day, Nintendo needs to work hard to get these big franchises that cater for the adult western market. Or start creating new AAA IPs that will cater to the adult western market (i.e a FPS, Racing Sim).

 

 

 


GTA 4 would not run on WIi, fact. AN orginal GTA?? Different story. Same with RE5, at least not without sacrifing some things.

I see where your coming from, but you're pretty much in the minority, and majority kinda rules



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oniyide said:
Cobretti2 said:
oniyide said:
menx64 said:
oniyide said:
I like this article, BUT if Ninty doesnt do these back deals and there system doesnt get those games, then the cycle of tears will just continue. As funny as it is, it would be said. BUT if you really only care about Ninty games then that wouldnt bother you anyway. Everyone wins (except for the single console owners...oh well)

 I am a single console owner and I am fine like that. I bet 80% of the people who bought a wii (35% nintendo-fans/55% casual gamers) didnt care about the third party support at all. People on gaming boards complained about not getting some games (which is fine) but I bet the huge majority of the userbase didnt care a bit.

yup your right. 


actually he is not. there is an aditional 10% people he accidently absorbed by his numbers 80% != 35% + 55% = 90%.

Also to say that all nintendo fans didn't care is wrong too. I cared. I wanted GTA on Wii as an example. Why you ask? because the fact is I wanted to experiece GTA and those other gameds missed with the wii remote. Godfather port (the poor cousin of GTA) was actually well exectued with Wii Remote. ANother example is Resident Evil 5, it would have been fantastic if they implemented RE4 controls. Metal Gear SOlid 4 would have been nice withh wii remote.

COD is a good exam where a game wasn't as graphically well done and had less enemies on screen but yet the controls made the game fun. It felt so natural over dual analoges. But at the end of the day, COD games were somewhat lazy made (ie could have pushed gfx a bit better if wanted to), but still much better than most crap which just had slapped on waggle.

The same thing will go for WiiU. If the tablet is genuienly something that adds to the immersion of gaming, I would want to experience some of those 3rd party games with the tablet to see what it could do.

At the end of the day, Nintendo needs to work hard to get these big franchises that cater for the adult western market. Or start creating new AAA IPs that will cater to the adult western market (i.e a FPS, Racing Sim).

 

 

 


GTA 4 would not run on WIi, fact. AN orginal GTA?? Different story. Same with RE5, at least not without sacrifing some things.

I see where your coming from, but you're pretty much in the minority, and majority kinda rules

I agree that they wouldn't run  as they where made for the HD twins. It was more an example of types of games that could hae worked well if built from ground up with the controls.

I also agree that I am in the minority. This is where I think Nintendo failed. They should have convinced (marketed whatever you want to call it) the users that there is a benefit to the Wii Remote over dual analogs, other then meaningless fun.

And as you well know, humans are a creature of comfort. Once they get comfortable they hate change. Those who are willing to try something would have found that the Wii Remote (when well executed) actually works quite well. 

Look at a work environment, when there is a change in technology (or software)everyone hates it, but if the company supports people through the process and outlines the benefits of the changes people are willing to follow their company leaders and embrace change rather then become disconnected observers and hope they never have to use the new product. Example at my work is sharepoint. They implmented it TOTALLY wrong nad people jsut don't use it. I have worked in other companies where it is implemented well and it becomes your breead and butter for doucment archiving and sharing.