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NintendoPie said:
Andrespetmonkey said:

 

How much more do you really need? A possible upgrade to resolution is nice but the graphics themselves are perfectly fine.

Resolution is a part of the graphics, and dependant on better hardware. And you choose 2 games that look exceptionally good. Show me an open world game with destructible environments and hundreds of npc on screen look like Uncharted and I'll be very impressed.

Stuff like aliasing (jaggies) and 720p instead of 1080p bugs me, because no matter how polished a game is, lack of AA always makes it look a little un-polished, at least for me anyway. And better hardware isn't just about better graphics, but more detailed and interactive environments and better multi-tasking



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NintendoPie said:
Andrespetmonkey said:



How much more do you really need? A possible upgrade to resolution is nice but the graphics themselves are perfectly fine.

people always said it and they always think "wow what an improvement" if they get something better. do you think when i played videogames 15 years ago that i would need graphics we have nowadays in the last of us? i did not even think about these kind of graphics because i couldn't imagine to see that anytime soon. if you let me play now the games i played when i thought their graphics were awesome, i would think they look like shit. i said it to spurge, when i saw as example this

i thought it is unbelievable awesome and why should i need something better than that? when i saw some walls in ocarina of time i thought they look like real, if i see that now i think it is anything but a good looking graphic.



Andrespetmonkey said:

Resolution is a part of the graphics, and dependant on better hardware. And you choose 2 games that look exceptionally good. Show me an open world game with destructible environments and hundreds of npc on screen look like Uncharted and I'll be very impressed.

Stuff like aliasing (jaggies) and 720p instead of 1080p bugs me, because no matter how polished a game is, lack of AA always makes it look a little un-polished, at least for me anyway. And better hardware isn't just about better graphics, but more detailed and interactive environments and better multi-tasking

That's not the one I really wanted but it is close.

This is what I was really looking for in screen shot form:

It looks a little fuzzy because I'm pretty sure this is off-screen footage. 



NintendoPie said:
Andrespetmonkey said:

Resolution is a part of the graphics, and dependant on better hardware. And you choose 2 games that look exceptionally good. Show me an open world game with destructible environments and hundreds of npc on screen look like Uncharted and I'll be very impressed.

Stuff like aliasing (jaggies) and 720p instead of 1080p bugs me, because no matter how polished a game is, lack of AA always makes it look a little un-polished, at least for me anyway. And better hardware isn't just about better graphics, but more detailed and interactive environments and better multi-tasking

That's not the one I really wanted but it is close.

This is what I was really looking for in screen shot form

It looks a little fuzzy because I'm pretty sure this is off-screen footage. 

Firstly, that's a bull shot.

Secondly, Ass Creed 3 does not look as good as Uncharted 2 or 3, textures are no where near the same quality, the lighting isn't as good, the character models aren't as detailed. No motion blur, no Anti-aliasing.

Look at the UE4 demo or the Square Enix luminous engine Demo, and that's what next gen should be aiming for. They are on-par with CGI. After that it's photorealism.



Andrespetmonkey said:
NintendoPie said:
Andrespetmonkey said:

 

How much more do you really need? A possible upgrade to resolution is nice but the graphics themselves are perfectly fine.

Resolution is a part of the graphics, and dependant on better hardware. And you choose 2 games that look exceptionally good. Show me an open world game with destructible environments and hundreds of npc on screen look like Uncharted and I'll be very impressed.

Stuff like aliasing (jaggies) and 720p instead of 1080p bugs me, because no matter how polished a game is, lack of AA always makes it look a little un-polished, at least for me anyway. And better hardware isn't just about better graphics, but more detailed and interactive environments and better multi-tasking

Oh, wait. That's actually Pikmin 3! 

- 100's of Characters? Check!

- Open World? I think Check?

- Destructible? Check!



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NintendoPie said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
NintendoPie said:
Andrespetmonkey said:

 

How much more do you really need? A possible upgrade to resolution is nice but the graphics themselves are perfectly fine.

Resolution is a part of the graphics, and dependant on better hardware. And you choose 2 games that look exceptionally good. Show me an open world game with destructible environments and hundreds of npc on screen look like Uncharted and I'll be very impressed.

Stuff like aliasing (jaggies) and 720p instead of 1080p bugs me, because no matter how polished a game is, lack of AA always makes it look a little un-polished, at least for me anyway. And better hardware isn't just about better graphics, but more detailed and interactive environments and better multi-tasking

Oh, wait. That's actually Pikmin 3! 

- 100's of Characters? Check!

- Open World? I think Check?

- Destructible? Check!

The world in Pikmin isn't very detailed lol

Compare one character model in pikmin to Nathan Drake, or any human NPC for that matter. Much more detail in the humans. And I think it's a little bit of stretch to say Pikmin 3 looks as good as Uncharted 3. 



Andrespetmonkey said:
NintendoPie said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
NintendoPie said:
Andrespetmonkey said:

 

How much more do you really need? A possible upgrade to resolution is nice but the graphics themselves are perfectly fine.

Resolution is a part of the graphics, and dependant on better hardware. And you choose 2 games that look exceptionally good. Show me an open world game with destructible environments and hundreds of npc on screen look like Uncharted and I'll be very impressed.

Stuff like aliasing (jaggies) and 720p instead of 1080p bugs me, because no matter how polished a game is, lack of AA always makes it look a little un-polished, at least for me anyway. And better hardware isn't just about better graphics, but more detailed and interactive environments and better multi-tasking

Oh, wait. That's actually Pikmin 3! 

- 100's of Characters? Check!

- Open World? I think Check?

- Destructible? Check!

The world in Pikmin isn't very detailed lol

Compare one character model in pikmin to Nathan Drake, or any human NPC for that matter. Much more detail in the humans. And I think it's a little bit of stretch to say Pikmin 3 looks as good as Uncharted 3. 

Sorry man, that's it, game over. Pikmin 3 is the apex of graphical capability. 



Sal.Paradise said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
The world in Pikmin isn't very detailed lol

Compare one character model in pikmin to Nathan Drake, or any human NPC for that matter. Much more detail in the humans. And I think it's a little bit of stretch to say Pikmin 3 looks as good as Uncharted 3. 

Sorry man, that's it, game over. Pikmin 3 is the apex of graphical capability. 

lollage



Andrespetmonkey said:
NintendoPie said:
Andrespetmonkey said:

Resolution is a part of the graphics, and dependant on better hardware. And you choose 2 games that look exceptionally good. Show me an open world game with destructible environments and hundreds of npc on screen look like Uncharted and I'll be very impressed.

Stuff like aliasing (jaggies) and 720p instead of 1080p bugs me, because no matter how polished a game is, lack of AA always makes it look a little un-polished, at least for me anyway. And better hardware isn't just about better graphics, but more detailed and interactive environments and better multi-tasking

That's not the one I really wanted but it is close.

This is what I was really looking for in screen shot form

It looks a little fuzzy because I'm pretty sure this is off-screen footage. 

Firstly, that's a bull shot.

Secondly, Ass Creed 3 does not look as good as Uncharted 2 or 3, textures are no where near the same quality, the lighting isn't as good, the character models aren't as detailed. No motion blur, no Anti-aliasing.

Look at the UE4 demo or the Square Enix luminous engine Demo, and that's what next gen should be aiming for. They are on-par with CGI. After that it's photorealism.


1. Nothing is on par with CGI and it never will be. It is physically impossible. UE4 is a PC graphics engine, not a console engine. The specs needed to run it properly cost thousands of dollars whosale to manufacture.

2. Generations are not decided by graphics, they are decided by overall technical advancement.

3. The look you prefer has no impact on what quality is being used. Graphics are nurmerical and measurable. There is little room for opinion when it comes to someone who understands what they are looking for.

4. Square Luminous engine didn't show much that couldn't be done in the current gen. The geometry was mostly simplistic and the effects have all been done before in current gen games. All it really had to show for itself was that it was a slight bit more diverse than the Crystal Engine.



Nintendo Land was the only game I remember being there that was developed from the ground up on and for the Wii U alone. Notice the difference?