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This article is mostly just more evidence that the first year of a console isn't entirely indicative of its future. Also, there was a lot less PS2 bashing going on back in the day than there is PS3 (and Wii) bashing going on now. The pro-DreamCast crowd was particularly vehement in declaring the PS2 to be a death-knell for Sony around 2000, largely because they felt Sega's pre-emptive release of the DreamCast at an affordable price ensured it would triumph. That led to a number of only semi-informed articles such as this one. Indeed, the insult "DelayStation", popular nowadays, was thrown about with wild abandon by Sony's opposers back around 2000 and 2001 as well. To be fair, though, the PS2 didn't really take off until its first price drop; before that, it wasn't really obvious that it would become the system of choice for its generation.



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lost Sega's trust

In this generation the XBOX had a year head start


Microsoft doesn't exactly have a spotless reputation regarding the quality of their products, customer support and business practices...



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Sky Render said:
This article is mostly just more evidence that the first year of a console isn't entirely indicative of its future. Also, there was a lot less PS2 bashing going on back in the day than there is PS3 (and Wii) bashing going on now. The pro-DreamCast crowd was particularly vehement in declaring the PS2 to be a death-knell for Sony around 2000, largely because they felt Sega's pre-emptive release of the DreamCast at an affordable price ensured it would triumph. That led to a number of only semi-informed articles such as this one. Indeed, the insult "DelayStation", popular nowadays, was thrown about with wild abandon by Sony's opposers back around 2000 and 2001 as well. To be fair, though, the PS2 didn't really take off until its first price drop; before that, it wasn't really obvious that it would become the system of choice for its generation.

 Well PS3 has had multiple price drops and it still hasn't taken off, While Wii has yet to even be plentiful in stores



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Oh, I'm not arguing that the PS3 is going to make the same leap that the PS2 did; that's unlikely with the variables as they are now. As well, the first PS2 price drop put it at the $200 "sweet spot" where systems really start to sell their best. What I am saying is that the future of the current consoles is as up in the air now at the start of 2008 as it was at the start of 2007. For different reasons, for the most part, but it's still uncertain all around.

The Wii has the momentum, but is in a precarious spot with high unmet demand that could bite them in the butt if the competition finds a way to snatch it up (which is currently an unlikely scenario, but stranger things have happened). The 360 is dealing with the same problem the DreamCast did in the form of waning interest due to their competition (and the added problem of their system's failure rate). And the PS3 has the same shortcomings as the PS2 did at its 1-year mark: high pricetag backed with a lack of system-selling software.

Of all three, the Wii is probably having the least trouble (theirs is an advantage that only transforms into a problem if somebody else takes actions to turn it against them). The 360's issue is one of attrition and image, so they have the biggest battle to fight of all three. And the PS3's is one of prospects versus reality, and will inevitably resolve itself in one way or another in the future (near or far depending on if further delays occur).



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Sky Render said:
This article is mostly just more evidence that the first year of a console isn't entirely indicative of its future. Also, there was a lot less PS2 bashing going on back in the day than there is PS3 (and Wii) bashing going on now. The pro-DreamCast crowd was particularly vehement in declaring the PS2 to be a death-knell for Sony around 2000, largely because they felt Sega's pre-emptive release of the DreamCast at an affordable price ensured it would triumph. That led to a number of only semi-informed articles such as this one. Indeed, the insult "DelayStation", popular nowadays, was thrown about with wild abandon by Sony's opposers back around 2000 and 2001 as well. To be fair, though, the PS2 didn't really take off until its first price drop; before that, it wasn't really obvious that it would become the system of choice for its generation.

actually ps2 still sold really well even without a price drop,but then with a price drop it sold even better. i wonder how much wii will sell when it gets its first price drop

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brute said:
Sky Render said:
This article is mostly just more evidence that the first year of a console isn't entirely indicative of its future. Also, there was a lot less PS2 bashing going on back in the day than there is PS3 (and Wii) bashing going on now. The pro-DreamCast crowd was particularly vehement in declaring the PS2 to be a death-knell for Sony around 2000, largely because they felt Sega's pre-emptive release of the DreamCast at an affordable price ensured it would triumph. That led to a number of only semi-informed articles such as this one. Indeed, the insult "DelayStation", popular nowadays, was thrown about with wild abandon by Sony's opposers back around 2000 and 2001 as well. To be fair, though, the PS2 didn't really take off until its first price drop; before that, it wasn't really obvious that it would become the system of choice for its generation.

 

actually ps2 still sold really well even without a price drop,but then with a price drop it sold even better. i wonder how much wii will sell when it gets its first price drop

 You thought the shortages have been bad so far

 

Just when you thought it was safe to buy a Wii 



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Actually, I remember the demand for the PS2 back in November and December of 2000. There were long lines, people fighting over the consoles, the works. I recall thinking at the time that there was no way I was going to get a PS2 until all that calmed down (and until it was $200; I had less money available for frittering away on game systems then than I do now). All that said, the PS2's best years were definitely after the price drop. There was a brief lull there before the price drop where the system wasn't selling as well as it had been, around late 2001/early 2002.



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The PS2 sold 800k+ in the first two days in Japan. If that's not a great start I don't know what is. The sales don't lie, it was a leader from day one.



because those games were all in developement before the companies knew whata success wii would be
@brute: What 3rd party games are coming to Wii, which will be released in next 1-2 years on PS3/x360 in HD?

The PS2 sold 800k+ in the first two days in Japan. If that's not a great start I don't know what is. The sales don't lie, it was a leader from day one.
@FishyJoe: PS2 costed around 300$, PS3 costed around 600$.
PS2 had only one competitor - dreamcast, PS3 had x360 and Wii.
That doesn`t matter or what?

Of`course it won`t be easy for PS3 to DOMINATE this generation, as for PS2 was, BUT PS3 WILL Dominate after all BIG AA games will be released.



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2009.04.30 - PS3 will OUTSELL x360 atleast by the middle of 2010. Japan+Europe > NA.


Gran Turismo 3 - 1,06 mln. in 3 weeks with around 4 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Gran Turismo 4 - 1,16 mln. with 18 mln. PS2 on the launch.

Final Fantasy X - around 2 mln. with 5 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Final Fantasy X-2 - 2.4 mln. with 12 mln. PS2 on the launch.

 

1.8 mln. PS3 today(2008.01.17) in Japan. Now(2009.04.30) 3.16 mln. PS3 were sold in Japan.
PS3 will reach 4 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 25k.

PS3 may reach 5 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 50k.
PS2 2001 vs PS3 2008 sales numbers =) + New games released in Japan by 2009 that passed 100k so far

Avinash_Tyagi said:
gamingdevil said:
Actually his baseless PS2 bashing reminds me of the gazillion articles bashing the Wii...

Deja vu?

 Exactly, they SDF'ers think it applies to the PS3, but they are off base the Wii is where history will repeat


I think you will find it actually applies a hell of a lot more to the PS3. You could pretty much just replace every PS2 in the article with PS3 and it would read like any of the pieces written about the PS3 over the last year.

 Lets look at some of the main points and see if they apply more to the PS3 or Wii shall we?

The most powerful console but with no games.

Using its ability to play movies on a new media as a selling point.

More difficult to develop for than its rivals.

Costing twice as much as its rival because of features that gamers dont want.

Nintendo & Microsoft being pointed out as its main rivals.

 Mmm. Now I might have missed something but I cant see much there that sounds more like the Wii than the PS3 can you?