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Forums - Politics Discussion - 2012 Quebec Student Strike

Jazz2K said:

People are more and more realising that the way we live is ridiculous. Less and less people think that it's "normal" to pay taxes to get nothing in return. It isn't normal to get so much money from Canada and having 2 taxes and still struggle, the prime minister needs to be kicked out.

Just because some people accept to be in debt to be educated doesn't mean I also have to bend over and take it in the as* for the sake of some corrupt governments, banks and mafia. This isn't a fight only for tution hikes but for the right to get what we pay for. Like we said earlier, we have two taxes report to do, 15% VAT, we get help from Canada but we still can't pay most things, we still have the worst roads in America, we can't build bridges that don't fall, we have now a new medic fee to help construct hospitals that still cost in the millions but 7years later they're still not built. I could go on and on but then you'd fall asleep if you haven't already...

 

Here so you understand why people are angry... watch this 2min video it's very interresting and could be applied to your government as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GkBOfg4ZZw8


This one is longer, the language is crude, but he gets to the point:






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Metrium said:

Because a government that gave up on the Kyoto protocol, that banished the firearms registry, who wants to reopen the debates on abortion and who lied to the population on the price of military jets is much better?

ppl of quebec care about the environment, they dont want guns in our streets, they dont want to go back into the 50s when it comes to women's rights and most of them are usualy against going to wars (depending on the context offcaurse). This shows how ppl of Quebec have nothing in common with ppl of other provinces like lets say Alberta for example, and I didnt even mention the differences when it comes to language and culture.


Banished the firearms registry?  More like just the long-gun registry, which is a complete waste of money anyways as well as ineffective, and really just punishes law-abiding citizens.  

Kyoto protocol was also a waste; didn't mater whether we were in it or not, considering even when we were in it, we were no where close to the goals (under a liberal administration let me remind you ;) ).

Wanting abortions to not be public funding =/= setting women's rights back 50 years.  Harper's even said, we've got to change people's hearts, not the law.  He's also said he has no interest in bringing abortion or the death penalty back.

Yes the military jets are an issue, but they were an issue back in Chretien's years, people are only whining about it now because it's a different gov't.

Let's honestly face it, Quebec wouldn't be able to survive seperation, and even if they did, they would just leach off the rest of Canada anyways, before finally coming back (there's a reason why the Bloc got shattered last election).  Hell to my knowledge, Alberta has more people who want to seperate than Quebec, and has probably less in common with the rest of Canada than Quebec does, plus actually has a lot more potential to survive.

Don't get me wrong, Harper has disappointed me on so many levels, however to say these are problems now is really just ignorant.

 

Sorry about that, I had to respond to this, now back to the original topic...

I have been keeping up with the news on this strike and both sides to a certain degree piss me off.

I have do have some sympathy for the protestors, but at the same time, what I payed for my tuition in one year, could essentially pay what they pay for their entire degree.  So by raising tuition slightly over a period of time where they would still end up having the lowest tuition in Canada, plus the States still pay way more anyways.  Also by blocking classes/roads, that's infringing  on other people's rights, and when classes/semesters get cancelled because of this, that's just unfair.

That being said, I'm not fond of how Jean Charest has handled this issue, especially considering he's tried to make it a student vs tax payer thing.  He's also recently (from what I've read, someone can fill me in more) at least try to make it law that if students want to protest, they need to get permission from the police, which I think is ludicrous (of course unless they block routes like the highway).



                           

The students strike was legal as long as students voted for the strike. I know and am glad we pay less than the rest of America. I understand the frustration from our english neighbours who have to pay more. I have to remind all of you though that we pay more taxes and have lower income in the end we are still all in debt just like the rest of America. The reason students protest isn't because the government wants to charge more to access university, we protest against debt. All American who attend university MUST be in debt unless they are rich... why is this supposed to be normal? People repeat that since we're children but in USA people pay for healthcare, here we pay nothing (through taxes I know) in USA people must think that it isn't fair they have to pay for healthcare (except for the rich ones) but seriously it's a choice a society has to make.

Here in Quebec people realized all the bad management and how rampant corruption is a threat to be debt free. The government now wants to put students into more debt for the sake of what? Banks? Mafia? Huge corporations that gets tax credits? Chinese mining companies? Remember we get close to nothing in return except more interest in our debts.

American's way to put people in debt works really well, we shouldn't accept that. It's time to stop saying "hey I paid so they should pay too" and start thinking how we can put this stupid system to rest, start thinking about efficient ways to get the population in universities and create/think, start thinking how we can reduce the debts of everyone... to me these things need to be addressed, I want to pay for my car/house/etc, and for services but I don't want to spend a part of my life giving money to banks/corruption/big greedy corporation interests.



lordmandeep said:

First of all the Kyoto protocol was a sham by the liberals to pretend to act on the environment.

I live in Ontario and I thought we had the award for being the stupidist province but at least people in Ontario have realiized that its a brave new world.

There was a fun article recently that showed there actually was zero change in ozone emmissions under the kyoto protocol because the oil and coal from the countries who did cut emissions was simply shipped and burned elsewhere.

Well and also canceled out by modern countries importing more goods and relying less on production.  So yeah, things are actually worse.

 

Only way you'd get any meaningful anti-carbon action is a world government.   With enforcement power.



I feel odd in all of this. Despite being a 21 years old university student in Quebec, none of my courses were cancelled, and I am currently working until the next semester.

One of the biggest collective movements in Quebec's history going on, it has students like me at the hearth of it, everyone is talking about it, everyone has its opinion on it, except for me...

I feel like those guys in the middle:

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Tackman said:

I feel odd in all of this. Despite being a 21 years old university student in Quebec, none of my courses were cancelled, and I am currently working until the next semester.

One of the biggest collective movements in Quebec's history going on, it has students like me at the hearth of it, everyone is talking about it, everyone has its opinion on it, except for me...

I feel like those guys in the middle:

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Haha I like those guys, they got me once, with a cop trapped in a giant donut.



the student protest is an internal matter.

However the whole "lets make a socialist state" crap is making everying in the rest of Canada go really...


Lol man I asked a lot of people about the protests

The main response

"ehh its Quebec..."

Lol I paid my though Uni and had some debts but I luckily got a job in my field.
Now I am one of those bastards that goes to a bar and strip club to burn some money lol....



Ridiculous increase.