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Hynad on 10 May 2012
MrBubbles said:

and once more...the rest of canada looks on annoyed that they have see and hear quebec once again, whining and bitching while still getting a better deal than the rest of the country.

the rest of canada manages just fine. we are all tired of constantly hearing about our most corrupt province that feels they are better than the rest of us and always needs the spotlight.


You'll stop being so annoyed at the Province of Quebec once the rest of Canada and the Province of Quebec itself accept that both are part of a whole.



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mrstickball on 10 May 2012
Soleron said:
mrstickball said:
Interesting that you complain about it, despite the fact your government is subsidizing it in the first place.

Eventually, governments run out of money, and their austerity will invariably effect you. Money is not infinite, but services are, if they cannot be paid for.

If the increases stops people who otherwise would have from being able to attend university, the lost productivity (could be) more than the subsidy amount. If government accounting was only done to cost almost nothing would happen.

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UK two years ago: £3000 -> £9000 sudden jump, less than a year's notice. £9000 is $14000.


That really depends if the degrees are in worthwhile fields. In the US, degree growth has increased four-fold from the 1990s which has increased tuition costs considerably since supply can't keep up with the artificial demand. The even bigger problem is that the vast majority of the increase in degrees aren't in valuable productive fields. They're in psycology, liberal arts, and other fields that are not in demand. So we have a lot of well-educated, debt-ridden, unemployed people with no usable real-world skills.

Of course, that tends to be the MO of government subsidies. They're well-meaning, but very poor on results.



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

Boutros on 10 May 2012



Kasz216 on 10 May 2012
mrstickball said:
Soleron said:
mrstickball said:
Interesting that you complain about it, despite the fact your government is subsidizing it in the first place.

Eventually, governments run out of money, and their austerity will invariably effect you. Money is not infinite, but services are, if they cannot be paid for.

If the increases stops people who otherwise would have from being able to attend university, the lost productivity (could be) more than the subsidy amount. If government accounting was only done to cost almost nothing would happen.

--

UK two years ago: £3000 -> £9000 sudden jump, less than a year's notice. £9000 is $14000.


That really depends if the degrees are in worthwhile fields. In the US, degree growth has increased four-fold from the 1990s which has increased tuition costs considerably since supply can't keep up with the artificial demand. The even bigger problem is that the vast majority of the increase in degrees aren't in valuable productive fields. They're in psycology, liberal arts, and other fields that are not in demand. So we have a lot of well-educated, debt-ridden, unemployed people with no usable real-world skills.

Of course, that tends to be the MO of government subsidies. They're well-meaning, but very poor on results.

Well not unemployed.  College tution unemployment is actually fairly low.  It's more like underemployed.  They end up getting a lot of the "unskilled" labor and often end up filling up a large part of the better "Unskilled jobs".  Pushing more people into the system, increasing demand even more etc.



Soleron on 10 May 2012
mrstickball said:
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That really depends if the degrees are in worthwhile fields. In the US, degree growth has increased four-fold from the 1990s which has increased tuition costs considerably since supply can't keep up with the artificial demand. The even bigger problem is that the vast majority of the increase in degrees aren't in valuable productive fields. They're in psycology, liberal arts, and other fields that are not in demand. So we have a lot of well-educated, debt-ridden, unemployed people with no usable real-world skills.

Of course, that tends to be the MO of government subsidies. They're well-meaning, but very poor on results.

They should shift the subsidy to encourage useful degree subjects, and limit the institutions that qualify for it to those with some standing.



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mrstickball on 10 May 2012
Soleron said:
mrstickball said:
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That really depends if the degrees are in worthwhile fields. In the US, degree growth has increased four-fold from the 1990s which has increased tuition costs considerably since supply can't keep up with the artificial demand. The even bigger problem is that the vast majority of the increase in degrees aren't in valuable productive fields. They're in psycology, liberal arts, and other fields that are not in demand. So we have a lot of well-educated, debt-ridden, unemployed people with no usable real-world skills.

Of course, that tends to be the MO of government subsidies. They're well-meaning, but very poor on results.

They should shift the subsidy to encourage useful degree subjects, and limit the institutions that qualify for it to those with some standing.


And when do you think they're going to do that? The education-industrial complex is fastly becoming as bad as the military-industrial complex. They'll never do that, because it'd cater to very specific bases. Of which, they won't get money, payoffs, or votes from.



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

Soleron on 10 May 2012
mrstickball said:
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They should shift the subsidy to encourage useful degree subjects, and limit the institutions that qualify for it to those with some standing.


And when do you think they're going to do that? The education-industrial complex is fastly becoming as bad as the military-industrial complex. They'll never do that, because it'd cater to very specific bases. Of which, they won't get money, payoffs, or votes from.

I voted for a party whose almost sole issue was not raising tuition fees, and what they did with that was join a coalition government and be completely in support of tuition fees. So I too have no faith in a government to execute an education policy.



Hynad on 10 May 2012



Marks on 10 May 2012

Still less than Ontario. French Canadians need to quit their whining.



Metrium on 10 May 2012
Hynad said:
MrBubbles said:

and once more...the rest of canada looks on annoyed that they have see and hear quebec once again, whining and bitching while still getting a better deal than the rest of the country.

the rest of canada manages just fine. we are all tired of constantly hearing about our most corrupt province that feels they are better than the rest of us and always needs the spotlight.


You'll stop being so annoyed at the Province of Quebec once the rest of Canada and the Province of Quebec itself accept that both are part of a whole.


Or.... When they both accept that we both have nothing in common and just let Quebec be a country.



 

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