Seeeece: ha
Seeeece: you're worried about kinect! LOL, more like you want it to flop on its feet more like ..
Seeeece: don't worry though, it'll ship 10 mill this Winter.
Seeeece: sad you don't have the easy foresight to see that
Seeeece: it's gonna be big again whether you like it or not
me / thesource: what exactly can you name thats gone from 400k to 10m in a non-holiday to christmas quarter? seriously?
: it cant flop its already sold 10m
Seeeece: I don't care source
Seeeece: I'll come back to you in 6 months
Seeeece: and say I told you so
Seeeece: you use outdated methods
: you're just being emotional now. why would it come back that firecely?
Seeeece: that don't apply to the 360 brand
Seeeece: nothing emotional ....
Seeeece: I just don't care for your analysis
Seeeece: I don't claim to be amazing before you say it, but you're pretty shit at it too
: yes but you're just saying "it will" for no reason
Seeeece: the obvious
: 400k to 10m is ridiculous
Seeeece: the fact that it's a holiday centric item
: when DS did 10m it was doing 5m a quarter
Seeeece: the fact that it's going to have SW
Seeeece: the fact it or 360, or both will be price cut
Seeeece: UGH
Seeeece: whofucking cares about DS
Seeeece: it's a handheld
: 10m is 20% of the X360 base
: its already done that
: but it took six months include a holiday
Seeeece: no it didn't
Seeeece: it took less than 5 months to reach 10.4
: sell through?
Seeeece: I'm talkign shipments, it'll ship 9/10 mill in Q4
: lol you're fudging already
: pick one number
Seeeece: I have nothing to fudge
: i'll save this and we'll talk again in six months
Seeeece: But when it does set alight again this xmas
Seeeece: I wonder how you'll downplay it
Seeeece: 'oh the attach ration in scandanavia is pretty worrying'
Seeeece: if you're still on aim
: seece i know its going to do well but 10m is crazy
Seeeece: no it's not.
: of course it is after 400k in the past quarter
Seeeece: that's not what it shipped
Seeeece: so I suggest you wait for those numbers
Seeeece: regardless
Seeeece: you're clinging onto them for dear life
Seeeece: and completely ignoring the fact it sells like wii
Seeeece: which did like 2 mill in Q3 last year
Seeeece: and jumped to 8.5 in Q4
: its not wii though its half wii half balance board. and wii did 45m in two years
Seeeece: it's selling faster than wii
: not anymore wii didnt 400k in three months
Seeeece: it's not remotely like the balance board
: of course it is for the existing xbox audience. its only a new platform for new users
Seeeece: which is exactly why it isn't liek the balance board
Seeeece: it's an insult to compare the 2
: no its not the balance board sold 35m
Seeeece: I dont fucking care how much it sold
Seeeece: it's still a POC
Seeeece: god you judge quality on sales
Seeeece: no wonder you think the wii is amazing
: seece i havent said i thing about quality you're asking me about sales
Seeeece: I know your opinion on what you think is quality SW
: yeah rayman origins
: same as you
Seeeece: just dance 3 and mario party
: is this supposed to be insulting? so i have broad  tastes and dislike killing shit
Seeeece: just as well
Seeeece: given your limited options on Wii
: i have 40 games you really think i'm limited?
: just because you cant find anything doesnt mean its bad for everyone
Seeeece: with quality SW, yeha
: what are you going to do if you're wrong on 10m for the quarter?
Seeeece: admit I was wrong
: no you wont
Seeeece: unlike you I can swallow my pride
Seeeece: yes I will
: you havent even admitted that the wii cut was effective. you thought it'd die after 130k
: just make those graphs
Seeeece: I don't even remember saying that
Seeeece: feel free to copy paste
Seeeece: and I'll admit I was wrong!
Seeeece: I'm impressed with the wii price cut
Seeeece: given the absoloute shit line up
: i've told you before past a certain threshold if a system is still selling ok it sells on library not new stuff. so the cut helps with that
Seeeece: this brings back memories of you out right telling people PS3 wouldn't be above 3 mill one Q, and then it did 3.5 mill
Seeeece: yeah
Seeeece: I fail to see how that applies to wii
: yeah thats why you're an xbot
: you dont see the appeal of anything you dislike
Seeeece: ^^
Seeeece: if I'm an xbox
Seeeece: why do I appreciate the PS3's library
Seeeece: I think it's better than Xbox's
: no you dont thats completely illogical
: go buy a PS3 then
Seeeece: how is it?
Seeeece: nope
Seeeece: I don't like the exclusives or the OS
: so you're loyal to a name and not games?
Seeeece: that doesn't mean I don't appreciate it has more, better games on it
Seeeece: no
: oh come on
Seeeece: I just said,
Seeeece: the games don't appeal to me
Seeeece: that doesn't mean I can't recognize quality
Seeeece: and quantity
: you have no idea how that sounds do you
Seeeece: sounds logical
Seeeece: nly an idiot fanboy like you wouldn't get it
: yeah you dont get it
: buy the system with the best games
Seeeece: I don't have to like something, to understand it's a QUALITY product
Seeeece: no you buy the system with the games you LIKE.
Seeeece: which is clearly what you've done
Seeeece: cos you sure as hell havn't done it on quality
: yes but i understand the appeal for all three. you see PS3 as an Xbox lite with better games and still dislike it
Seeeece: as it's the worst of the 3 thanks to crappy 3rd party support
: its not crappy just because you dont like the games
Seeeece: I don't dislike it
Seeeece: and I already said
Seeeece: those games don't appeal to me
Seeeece: you're just ignoring what I'm saying
: i could say X360 support is crappy too because i dislike the games. you dont know what your saying
: you just said wii support is crappy
: when it has 500 more games than X360
Seeeece: you can't though, because it'd be a lie
: thats not logical
: support is just games
: I meant quality, clearly
: yes but you say PS3 has more quality but then say X360 is better
: ...
Seeeece: I didn't say Xbox 360 was better
Seeeece: I said I prefered it
: you're missing my point just listen:
: you say PS3 has better support then X360 but you like the X360 more. you say the Wii has less games you like ala PS3 vs. X360, even though it has more games and you again prefer it less than X360 but the support is crappy even though its bigger in absolute terms and exclusives
: your just changing your argument for what support is and why its good or bad as necessary
: since you dislike the content for both
Seeeece: haha, no you just proved my argument spot on
Seeeece: I can look at the wii and PS3 librarys from an unbias POV
Seeeece: I don't like either
Seeeece: BUT
Seeeece: I can appreciate the PS3's quality
Seeeece: whereas I don't see any quality in Wii's library
Seeeece: bar a couple of games
: yes but your idea of quality is dependent on what you like you never consider other people
Seeeece: no it isn't
: wii has good support for its demographics
Seeeece: I get stuff appeals to all people
Seeeece: that doesn't make quality though
: you really think shit can sell 30 million units? its a bad argument
: people arent dumb
Seeeece: yes
Seeeece: they are
: no they're not
Seeeece: it's exactly why a ton of shit sells in music
Seeeece: and movies
Seeeece: ect
: thats taste though
Seeeece: people are sheep
Seeeece: and wii was a fad
Seeeece: and they clung to it as it was the latest thing
: its not a fad when every system will have motion controls from now on. its like saying 3D game play was a fad
: guitar hero is a fad
Seeeece: they'll have motion controls because it's $$$$
: 2m - 5m - 15m - 7m - 3m none
: that doesnt mean its a fad
: it looks like a new standard
: which is the opposite of a fad
Seeeece: it's not
: it'd be like if disco replaced classifcal music
Seeeece: PS36- before Kinect and Move came out > wii
Seeeece: joypad gaming is above motion gaming
Seeeece: and motion will always be second best
: nah its going to get bigger as its hammered out. games without motion will be like 2d or single player one day
: motion is enormous for how flawed it is at the moment

This explains EVERYTHING!

Well then..

wtf?

Am I the only person who uses proper Caps and punctionation in Instant Messaging programs?

Omg.. There is an argument on the internetz... Whoopdiedoepdiedoo! i'll bet seece can't sleep anymore cause total strangers have found out how he thinks about certain things which they don't care about cause it seece's opinion

This is ridiculous, you missed the part where I said you bent over for Miyamoto.

Or the homophobic and racist remarks (despite me not being black, which was weird)

someone's getting maaaad.

May I say (in hindsight) that you both made some terrible predictions in the past ?
But seriously who doesn't ?

The Source, I respected you and your sales talk a lot during my early VGC days, but you seriously can't deny that you "recently" (last 2 years or so) underestimated the HD twins constantly and pretty much always overestimated Wii sales or at least found an excuse why it went so much lower.
It was getting old.

Seece on the other hand clearly overestimated Kinect, but basically shows his defeat in his sig.

He was doing you a favour.