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Deoz said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
Deoz said:
zarx said:
Deoz said:

They will hit the graphics celing sooner tough, there's a limit to what they will be able to do without affecting other aspects of the game, and then they will have to changer their methods and focusing in other aspects. Art style will be the first thing and would probably see less photorealsitic games if it were to happen. Im supposing tough, there's always room for a change of minds even with next gen being a big jump.


no they can just other things lol, who needs better AI or more dynamic enviroments when better graphics make for better advertising. If it's harder to differenciate in grphics it will just mean more work is put into it. 

No level of hardware power will force gameplay innovation, but more power does allow developers to do new things like fully dynamic enviroments, more complex AI, larger enviroments, more veriaty in NPCs in any one area etc. 

Outside FULLY dynamic enviromets, the others arent really new things. There have been games that showed some of those this gen. But you made me realize my mistake, "force" woul be the wrong word, "can lead to" would be a better phrase.

Complex AI in a large, complex and highly interactive world? The games visuals, frame rate and online player counts can suffer from this. This is not only an aesthetic problem for many people as bad visuals can take you out of the experience e.g. low-res textures and aliasing in a game that's supposed to look realistic, the frame-rate directly affects gameplay in a big way on Sports games, Shooters and Racing games, and for online counts and the other factors, look at BF3 on consoles and compare it with the PC version. 

And better hardware will also bring us better multi-tasking, better UI in our console and generally just refined software like a better browser, better chat features, faster loading, several added features that are achievable on only better hardware (e.g cross game chat, browser whilst playing). 

Well look at how many people MAG managed to put in their game,

Yes, by having static environments and poor visuals.

BF3 followed the Badcompany way for me, game is not bad but didnt live to my expectations not even in PC.

Yes, ofcourse it didn't, because what is done on PC for BF3 is not possible on current consoles because they aren't nearly as powerful as they need to be to run a game like that to it's fullest, that's why the game had to be dumbed down. 

Sport's games dont really have big improvements in their visuals, so i cant really say they will suffer from it, they have a good performane and i think this one is the most important.

Better hardware will bring better, visuals, performance and animations to sports games. The 2 last are essential.

CoD for example brings the same grphics each year but brings a constant 60fps wich is one of its main attractions ( Maybe the only one) and people are ,saddly, happy with that. Now games that highly depend on visuals aspects might be another thing, Gran Turismo for example.

Cod has dated visuals and tiny, static maps. This is how it keeps that frame rate up. If you want large destructible environments and high player counts whilst looking good and running at 60fps, you need new hardware.

Also with the rumored specs should be enough to improve some of thoset features. The Vita can do cross game chat and it's not as powerful as ps3.

The PS3 can't do Cross game chat due to RAM restrictions (not the amount, but where it's dedicated), the Vita has more system RAM and can therefore do Cross game chat btw. 





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ClassicGamingWizzz said:
Man , this thread made me depressed, why release a consola that is 1.5 or 2 times better than ps3 ? Makes no sense :S


i hope these rumour are BS , i hope the next gen consoles can run graphics like samaritan demo at 30 FPS minimum ( not what the ps3 gets from poor ports like mass effect where it drops to 20 sometimes :( ).

If this is true and they release a very low specs consoles sony loses a costumer, i hope at least microsoft put a powerfull console or i might be a pc guy next gen .

Don't worry, even if these rumours are legit, developing for a closed platform goes a hell of a long way and the PS4s parts will only be based on these specs, the'll likely be custom made to be the best they can be and work as well as they can. Due to this the graphics leap will be very big even with these specs.



Deoz said:
Chark said:
Deoz said:

being limited also forces you  to try new ways and new things, so it can boost creativity too as much as not being limited can boost lazyness. I say more than hand on hand it should be a balance, and that balance was kind of rupted this gen. So a little jump in graphics and most of time dedicated to gamplay should bring next gen to a good balance again.


I doubt that is how the developers view it. Their goal is to create good games, not be lazy because they are putting all their time and money into a game that happens to have more power. If that was true then wouldn't we see games with new amazing concepts on less powerful systems and the same things over again on more powerful ones? I think if you were to actually evaluate the concepts in modern games you'd find it favors capability freedom over forced improvisation.

I doubt it too, and that is  a shame, yet we have seen a lot of good concepts on wii,ds and psp, but  they are not the only options tough and the hd twins offers a profitable option too i would say even more in some cases.PSN,xblive and eshop also offers excellent and unique concepts too without pushing a lot the hardware. I agree with the last sentence, the thing is, like i said before, i dont really trust them to take full advantage of that giving their performance this gen. Im not expecting a GC-WII jump, a little more sure, but without going overboard.

I don't think power has really ever stifled creativity or quality of games. If anything ever generation has created better games than in the past. Over time people tend to forget about how many crappy games there were. And even the good ones, back then we easily forgave bad level design or gameplay mechanics because there just wasn't anything to really compare them to and developers were limited by the hardware they were using. Go back a gen or two and play some games, yes there are classics that will be for the most part timeless, but for every one of those games there are dozens of unkown titles that are just completly terrible. Not just by todays standards either, back then they sucked as well but developers could get away with that kind of stuff.



Before the PS3 everyone was nice to me :(

It's gonna have a much stronger GPU than the 7670, it's as simple as that. The 7670 is awful and would mean that the PS4 is only three times faster than the PS3.

I believe the PS4 will be 8 to 10 times faster.



A PS4 running Windows??? lol



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Slimebeast said:

It's gonna have a much stronger GPU than the 7670, it's as simple as that. The 7670 is awful and would mean that the PS4 is only three times faster than the PS3.

I believe the PS4 will be 8 to 10 times faster.


Yeah, I was expecting something like the 7750 or 7770



Before the PS3 everyone was nice to me :(

High end pc playing JC2 and those other games in 21 -30 fps in 720p?, I'm betting its a laptop, that's not even mid end pc



Chark said:

I don't think power has really ever stifled creativity or quality of games. If anything ever generation has created better games than in the past. Over time people tend to forget about how many crappy games there were. And even the good ones, back then we easily forgave bad level design or gameplay mechanics because there just wasn't anything to really compare them to and developers were limited by the hardware they were using. Go back a gen or two and play some games, yes there are classics that will be for the most part timeless, but for every one of those games there are dozens of unkown titles that are just completly terrible. Not just by todays standards either, back then they sucked as well but developers could get away with that kind of stuff.

There's a bunch of those this gen too, Level design and gameplay  hasnt really improved or shown any meaningful changes over last gen even tough hardware is better, many sequels for example fail to impress as much as their old gen predecessors did, and not becasue they are uglier games. 

Also what's with the "developers could get away with that kind of stuff"?



With console specific optimization's, native drivers and minimal hardware abstraction the 7670 based GPU will perform roughly at twice to three times the rate of its desktop equivalent. Consider the PC equivalent of PS3 and XBox360 hardware and you'll get my point. These benchmarks are somewhat of joke, I cant believe this got published.



I predict that the Wii U will sell a total of 18 million units in its lifetime. 

The NX will be a 900p machine

SubiyaCryolite said:
With console specific optimization's, native drivers and minimal hardware abstraction the 7670 based GPU will perform roughly at twice to three times the rate of its desktop equivalent. Consider the PC equivalent of PS3 and XBox360 hardware and you'll get my point. These benchmarks are somewhat of joke, I cant believe this got published.

To be fair they did address that at the end, like 2 pages worth of text on it.