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Well the PS2 could be used for missile guidance, the PS3 can cure cancer, the PS4 will be able to slow time so you have more time to enjoy your games. And thanks to the use of quantum entanglement you can play every game completely lag free and completely secure online without need of an internet connection.



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zarx said:
Deoz said:

They will hit the graphics celing sooner tough, there's a limit to what they will be able to do without affecting other aspects of the game, and then they will have to changer their methods and focusing in other aspects. Art style will be the first thing and would probably see less photorealsitic games if it were to happen. Im supposing tough, there's always room for a change of minds even with next gen being a big jump.


no they can just other things lol, who needs better AI or more dynamic enviroments when better graphics make for better advertising. If it's harder to differenciate in grphics it will just mean more work is put into it. 

No level of hardware power will force gameplay innovation, but more power does allow developers to do new things like fully dynamic enviroments, more complex AI, larger enviroments, more veriaty in NPCs in any one area etc. 

Outside FULLY dynamic enviromets, the others arent really new things. There have been games that showed some of those this gen. But you made me realize my mistake, "force" woul be the wrong word, "can lead to" would be a better phrase.



Deoz said:
zarx said:
Deoz said:

They will hit the graphics celing sooner tough, there's a limit to what they will be able to do without affecting other aspects of the game, and then they will have to changer their methods and focusing in other aspects. Art style will be the first thing and would probably see less photorealsitic games if it were to happen. Im supposing tough, there's always room for a change of minds even with next gen being a big jump.


no they can just other things lol, who needs better AI or more dynamic enviroments when better graphics make for better advertising. If it's harder to differenciate in grphics it will just mean more work is put into it. 

No level of hardware power will force gameplay innovation, but more power does allow developers to do new things like fully dynamic enviroments, more complex AI, larger enviroments, more veriaty in NPCs in any one area etc. 

Outside FULLY dynamic enviromets, the others arent really new things. There have been games that showed some of those this gen. But you made me realize my mistake, "force" woul be the wrong word, "can lead to" would be a better phrase.

less limitations can lead to new ideas just as easilly as more limitations. Just with more power there are more possibilities as anything that could be done on lesser hardware is still possible yet you can also have new or better things. Ether way it's all up to the developers.



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zarx said:
Deoz said:
zarx said:
Deoz said:

They will hit the graphics celing sooner tough, there's a limit to what they will be able to do without affecting other aspects of the game, and then they will have to changer their methods and focusing in other aspects. Art style will be the first thing and would probably see less photorealsitic games if it were to happen. Im supposing tough, there's always room for a change of minds even with next gen being a big jump.


no they can just other things lol, who needs better AI or more dynamic enviroments when better graphics make for better advertising. If it's harder to differenciate in grphics it will just mean more work is put into it. 

No level of hardware power will force gameplay innovation, but more power does allow developers to do new things like fully dynamic enviroments, more complex AI, larger enviroments, more veriaty in NPCs in any one area etc. 

Outside FULLY dynamic enviromets, the others arent really new things. There have been games that showed some of those this gen. But you made me realize my mistake, "force" woul be the wrong word, "can lead to" would be a better phrase.

less limitations can lead to new ideas just as easilly as more limitations. Just with more power there are more possibilities as anything that could be done on lesser hardware is still possible yet you can also have new or better things. Ether way it's all up to the developers.

i agree, but there's the down side that i belive this gen has showed. less limitations can lead to lazyness a lot more than having the pressure of them. So i see less possible to devs of this gen to give birth to new ideas if a big jump happens, its up to them at the end really. Might be my own selfishness that dont let me trust them anymore. There's the excpetions tough.



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I'm way more curious about art style changes and gameplay changes that developers can evolve into given that we're hitting a point where graphical advancement is slowing down. I think what really matters for the PS4 and NextBox are what they can do aside from raw power. Social networking and other console capabilities will be what drive these consoles.



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Deoz said:
zarx said:
Deoz said:

They will hit the graphics celing sooner tough, there's a limit to what they will be able to do without affecting other aspects of the game, and then they will have to changer their methods and focusing in other aspects. Art style will be the first thing and would probably see less photorealsitic games if it were to happen. Im supposing tough, there's always room for a change of minds even with next gen being a big jump.


no they can just other things lol, who needs better AI or more dynamic enviroments when better graphics make for better advertising. If it's harder to differenciate in grphics it will just mean more work is put into it. 

No level of hardware power will force gameplay innovation, but more power does allow developers to do new things like fully dynamic enviroments, more complex AI, larger enviroments, more veriaty in NPCs in any one area etc. 

Outside FULLY dynamic enviromets, the others arent really new things. There have been games that showed some of those this gen. But you made me realize my mistake, "force" woul be the wrong word, "can lead to" would be a better phrase.

Complex AI in a large, complex and highly interactive world? The games visuals, frame rate and online player counts can suffer from this. This is not only an aesthetic problem for many people as bad visuals can take you out of the experience e.g. low-res textures and aliasing in a game that's supposed to look realistic, the frame-rate directly affects gameplay in a big way on Sports games, Shooters and Racing games, and for online counts and the other factors, look at BF3 on consoles and compare it with the PC version. 

And better hardware will also bring us better multi-tasking, better UI in our console and generally just refined software like a better browser, better chat features, faster loading, several added features that are achievable on only better hardware (e.g cross game chat, browser whilst playing). 



Deoz said:
Chark said:
Solid-Stark said:
BasilZero said:
A Playstation where you would be able to customize or matterfact any system would be a gamer's dream, too bad it wont happen.

I think this gen brought out all the hype for graphics and such, next gen should go back to gameplay imo.

Agreed. These specs would still put the ps4 above the ps3 by a good margin, but more importantly the games would still be great even if they don't look like a pc game on ultra settings.

Graphics and gameplay capabilities go hand in hand, new experiences are created through hardware improvements. Creativity will be available no matter the hardware, but a lack of power limits it.

being limited also forces you  to try new ways and new things, so it can boost creativity too as much as not being limited can boost lazyness. I say more than hand on hand it should be a balance, and that balance was kind of rupted this gen. So a little jump in graphics and most of time dedicated to gamplay should bring next gen to a good balance again.


I doubt that is how the developers view it. Their goal is to create good games, not be lazy because they are putting all their time and money into a game that happens to have more power. If that was true then wouldn't we see games with new amazing concepts on less powerful systems and the same things over again on more powerful ones? I think if you were to actually evaluate the concepts in modern games you'd find it favors capability freedom over forced improvisation.



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Don't worry, we will have much better graphics, physics and everything performance next gen from all home consoles compared to current gen. Even if the OP specs are true (very much doubt it), optimizing for a stable platform and eliminating much of the (sometimes huge) graphics driver overhead goes a looong way. Rejoice.



Chark said:
Deoz said:

being limited also forces you  to try new ways and new things, so it can boost creativity too as much as not being limited can boost lazyness. I say more than hand on hand it should be a balance, and that balance was kind of rupted this gen. So a little jump in graphics and most of time dedicated to gamplay should bring next gen to a good balance again.


I doubt that is how the developers view it. Their goal is to create good games, not be lazy because they are putting all their time and money into a game that happens to have more power. If that was true then wouldn't we see games with new amazing concepts on less powerful systems and the same things over again on more powerful ones? I think if you were to actually evaluate the concepts in modern games you'd find it favors capability freedom over forced improvisation.

I doubt it too, and that is  a shame, yet we have seen a lot of good concepts on wii,ds and psp, but  they are not the only options tough and the hd twins offers a profitable option too i would say even more in some cases.PSN,xblive and eshop also offers excellent and unique concepts too without pushing a lot the hardware. I agree with the last sentence, the thing is, like i said before, i dont really trust them to take full advantage of that giving their performance this gen. Im not expecting a GC-WII jump, a little more sure, but without going overboard.



Andrespetmonkey said:
Deoz said:
zarx said:
Deoz said:

They will hit the graphics celing sooner tough, there's a limit to what they will be able to do without affecting other aspects of the game, and then they will have to changer their methods and focusing in other aspects. Art style will be the first thing and would probably see less photorealsitic games if it were to happen. Im supposing tough, there's always room for a change of minds even with next gen being a big jump.


no they can just other things lol, who needs better AI or more dynamic enviroments when better graphics make for better advertising. If it's harder to differenciate in grphics it will just mean more work is put into it. 

No level of hardware power will force gameplay innovation, but more power does allow developers to do new things like fully dynamic enviroments, more complex AI, larger enviroments, more veriaty in NPCs in any one area etc. 

Outside FULLY dynamic enviromets, the others arent really new things. There have been games that showed some of those this gen. But you made me realize my mistake, "force" woul be the wrong word, "can lead to" would be a better phrase.

Complex AI in a large, complex and highly interactive world? The games visuals, frame rate and online player counts can suffer from this. This is not only an aesthetic problem for many people as bad visuals can take you out of the experience e.g. low-res textures and aliasing in a game that's supposed to look realistic, the frame-rate directly affects gameplay in a big way on Sports games, Shooters and Racing games, and for online counts and the other factors, look at BF3 on consoles and compare it with the PC version. 

And better hardware will also bring us better multi-tasking, better UI in our console and generally just refined software like a better browser, better chat features, faster loading, several added features that are achievable on only better hardware (e.g cross game chat, browser whilst playing). 

Well look at how many people MAG managed to put in their game, BF3 followed the Badcompany way for me, game is not bad but didnt live to my expectations not even in PC. Sport's games dont really have big improvements in their visuals, so i cant really say they will suffer from it, they have a good performane and i think this one is the most important. CoD for example brings the same grphics each year but brings a constant 60fps wich is one of its main attractions ( Maybe the only one) and people are ,saddly, happy with that. Now games that highly depend on visuals aspects might be another thing, Gran Turismo for example.

Also with the rumored specs should be enough to improve some of thoset features. The Vita can do cross game chat and it's not as powerful as ps3.