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the post antibiotic era is upon us and everyone will be wishing that bacteria hadn't really evolved.



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Scientific theory is just that, theory. We cannot prove anything 100%, we can only prove it 'beyond reasonable doubt' (as in a court of law). I believe the evidence in favor of some form of evolutionary theory far outweighs that against, and as such I believe in a theory of evolution.



thranx said:
KungKras said:



It must take a very closed mind to NOT accept evolution as a proven fact.


wow. where is all of this cold hard eveidence than? Fact is evolution is still not a fact. Let alone a proven fact. It is just the only viable theory we have on how life came to be, but it is most certainly not a proven fact. Yes there is evedence for it, but to be a proven fact it takes more than evidence. It has to be undeniable and overwhelming eveidnece or reproducable in a controlled enviroment. which we do not have yet. Its very closed minded to take snippets of information and form a "fact" from it that you can not prove.

 

EDIT: I do believe in evoltion myself so i am not going to argue against it. But i do realize there are some holes in it, and it isn't reproducable in a lab experiment as far as i know.

From what I've seen, the holes in the theory has more to do with missing links and how the very first organism originated.

What I meant was that it is a fact that species evolve over time, genes change properties randomly, etc, and we have seen it happen lots of times, so that species can evolve is as close to a fact as it possibly can be.



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OoSnap said:

Absolutely not! Have we ever observed bacteria evolve into something else other than bacteria? Nope.

What about fruitflies? Nope. Still the same even after decades of fruitfly experiments. Sure the mutants have a different form and such (albeit more sickly and less fit) but they are still fruitflies.

Have we ever observed a reptile evolve into a bird? Have we ever observed molecules evolve into a life form? Nope and nope.

Evolution is not based on hard science but made up stories by people who spent thousands of dollars to get a title on their name. Don't be deceived. You are not the result of billions of years of evolution.

That said there are hardcore skeptics who say they only believe what they see but they have never seen evolution. A cat gives birth to a cat. A dog gives birth to a dog. People give birth to humans. Yet these same skeptics believe all life evolved from some primordial cell without ever observing it. Talk about being inconsistent and loopy [[confused]] ·It takes a lot of faith to believe the evolution story.

This is an unfortunate example, but this is evolution:
http://www.ehow.com/about_5270591_effects-antibiotics-bacteria-evolution.html



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This is all I'm going to say:

Microevolution = Fact, and not up for debate.

Macroevolution = (Unsubstantiated) Theory.



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OK, if evolution doesn't make sense because we haven't been able to observe it on larger scale then I suppose there's no telling as to how we got where we are because obviously god can't be the reason either. After all, there's even less proof of that and it's kinda old, too.

Evolution makes sense and we've seen it on smaller scale. Now tell me: why would it not work on larger scale?



huaxiong90 said:

This is all I'm going to say:

Microevolution = Fact, and not up for debate.

Macroevolution = (Unsubstantiated) Theory.


This one often comes out in evolution debates. I'm guessing either you have read a lot about the subject and formed this conclusion independently, or... you've been watching videos by Ken Ham, Kent Hovind or Carl Baugh.

If you want some substantiation for Macroevolution, then check this out.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/



thranx said:
Scoobes said:
thranx said:
KungKras said:



It must take a very closed mind to NOT accept evolution as a proven fact.


wow. where is all of this cold hard eveidence than? Fact is evolution is still not a fact. Let alone a proven fact. It is just the only viable theory we have on how life came to be, but it is most certainly not a proven fact. Yes there is evedence for it, but to be a proven fact it takes more than evidence. It has to be undeniable and overwhelming eveidnece or reproducable in a controlled enviroment. which we do not have yet. Its very closed minded to take snippets of information and form a "fact" from it that you can not prove.

It may as well be a fact. It's been oberved, tested and proven. There are some details of evolution that are unknown, but we know that evolution does occur. We even manipulate molecular evolution to help create therapeutic proteins and biochemicals. If it wasn't fact, then many drugs wouldn't exist. 

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That's not actually evolution. Evolution explains life's diversity, but not the origins.

that is what i meant. No one was talking origin of life so i din't clarify that well. I dont argue that we can't manipulate it and that it hasn't occured. I completly agree. I am only saying it is very close minded to not acknowledge that we have not been able to proove and recreate evolution so we can not say it is an absolute fact. Doing so makes science into more of religion or faith based instead of fact based. I dont want science to go down that path. When we can proove it with out any doubt by recreating it than it will be a fact. Faith should be left to religion not science.

Its been observed, but not tested and proven.

Not tested? What then is dogs? And all the different kinds of cats that exists? Evolution has been tested and proven as humans has breed cats and dogs for thousands of years, and the same goes with our modern cows for that matters. That's e-vo-lu-tion



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OoSnap said:

Absolutely not! Have we ever observed bacteria evolve into something else other than bacteria? Nope.

What about fruitflies? Nope. Still the same even after decades of fruitfly experiments. Sure the mutants have a different form and such (albeit more sickly and less fit) but they are still fruitflies.

Have we ever observed a reptile evolve into a bird? Have we ever observed molecules evolve into a life form? Nope and nope.

Evolution is not based on hard science but made up stories by people who spent thousands of dollars to get a title on their name. Don't be deceived. You are not the result of billions of years of evolution.

That said there are hardcore skeptics who say they only believe what they see but they have never seen evolution. A cat gives birth to a cat. A dog gives birth to a dog. People give birth to humans. Yet these same skeptics believe all life evolved from some primordial cell without ever observing it. Talk about being inconsistent and loopy [[confused]] ·It takes a lot of faith to believe the evolution story.





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