Both of them ^_^ 

I've never liked these terms to begin with. "Casual" and "Hardcore".... peh. I've played Halo plenty of times (1,2 and 3; online and off) and got bored to death of its repetitiveness. I've played MMOs, RPGs, RTSs, and a million different flavors of FPSs. Every game genre you can think of, I've played in depth. In fact, I've been playing games since I was 4 (22 now, that's 18 years). Before I could even read I would look at pictures in game magazines to figure out how to beat levels in old NES games. And you know what? I have the most fun playing the Wii. Does that make me a casual player? If it does, you "hardcore" gamers can have your epic games on your HD consoles. I'll stick to my casual fare, thank you very much.

 NOTE: I'm not saying PS3 and the 360 don't have quality games on them. There's plenty of games that I think are genius on ALL consoles, and I would own them all had I the money to do so. I'm just sick of the Wii = casual hate that seems so rampant amongst fanboys.

I love threads,in which people post that this thread is unnecessary.
Ignoring is the magic word. ;)

Booooo ... how dare you post something reasonable and insightful!

Really, the reason the Wii is successful is because it's bright white, like all the post candy-colored iMac stuff. 

I keep hearing people brag abouthe blades, or ps3 interface--i am soory but the pointer/ icon interface of teh wii is the best one--its just like my pc--point and click to make selectio--but that is just my opinion

If tomorrow the PS3 doubled its average weekly sales and the Wii's average weekly sales dropped in half it would still be September 5th of 2009 before the PS3 cought up to the Wii.   

Take from that what you will but it does paint a fairly bleak picture of the situation in terms of 1st place for the PS3. That doesn't in any way mean the PS3 is a bad console or that it is doomed. Often people who enterpret this stuff see things a lot different than the companies themselves see it, and the common difference is that a lot of people see this as a zero sum game when it is most certainly not.  Or to put it plainly - Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo can all three win in this console "war" in terms of profits, nobody has to lose for someone to win.

i wouldnt fully agree on that alot of big games did help it sell like GT,GTA,FF,DMC,MGS,TEkken and ofcourse some more

I own a PS3 -- play Warhawk and UT III on it A LOT, -- but it is not any sort of evolution.  It's merely a more powerful PS2 with online and fixed storage, or a weak computer with HDMI out and Blu-Ray.

Everybody said the PS2 would last 10 years too, and it just well might, because the fact is most consoles do have a serviceable life of 8-10 years or even longer, but that does not change the fact we'll probably see a PS4 within as little as 5 more years. Companies tow the line about a 10 year plan with every console, but we always get the next gen after around 6.

Cell is a microprocessor architecture. It is not some future-proofed magic bullet. Yes, it's powerful.  But that doesn't change the fact that the PS3's processor and GPU are ALREADY old tech (that stuff is soooooo 2006). Engineers are at work right now devising something better and more powerful.

Even using the existing parts, without inventing something groundbreaking and new, Sony could release a Playstation 4 tomorrow many orders of magnitude more powerful than the PS3 just by including multiple Cell processors and a newer GPU, or multiple internal GPUs-as-SLI. At a minimum, Sony needs to get a TV-tuner in the unit so we can start using that power for DVR and get one appliance out of the entertainment center.

And BTW, XMB is counter-intuitive and clumsy once you get a boat load of crap installed into it.

Stop being a fanboy.

Big games don't really help. Look at Gamecube and X-box. They had plenty of high quality titles, excellent titles, RE4 was waaay better than DMC, Halo was much bigger than MGS, ect ect. Hell, Dreamcast was a beast as far as quality goes. But a few big titles alone do not a system make. Shovel ware, marketing and broad appeal do.

Added to sig. We will see.