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usrevenge said:
leo-j said:
Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 said:
Exclusives.. yes

Multiplats no


okay? Some multiplats shared with the 360, presumably the bigger ones like CALL OF DUTY look almost half a generation behind graphicly compared to some ps3 exclusives....


yet most the wanted games out there are multi plats
battlefield
mass effect
dragon age
cod
elder scrolls
fallout
all look better and play better on 360, PS3 is more powerful but no one cares because lets face it, the vast majority of games people care about are multi plat.

All of them were ports and PC versions were obviously superb. The problem is that the title thread here is trying not to project multiplatform titles instead the exclusives which were better in the graphics section. Please there's no point in carrying an argument which stresses on most multiplaftorm looking better or better gameplay. Battlefield was an impressive feat, never the less better than 360 counterpart.



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thehusbo said:
BHR3 said:
lol at some of the pics in here most are representative of whats seen in game most pics on the net are touched up with AA.

I think it's risky to say the PS3 is the definitive graphics king for this gen

when people refer to something as graphics king or whatever they usually refer to PC they do this b/c pretty much every game on PC is superior then it is on consoles both exclusives and multi its the pinnacle of the best gameplay experience in terms of graphics

sonys PS3 doesnt offer the best graphics for about 90% of the SW being released on it, going strictly console vs console excluding the PC for this gen it would be the X-box 360 that offers the best graphics on consoles for the majority of the SW being sold

there are only a few exclusive games on the PS3 key word a few that are graphically superior to the 360s exclusive library, forget about the 3rd party its a rap most all are graphically superior on the X-box there are plenty of comparisons on the net for most of the major 3rd party releases for you to see this.

imo the few ps3 exclusives that are graphically superior also sacrifice some gameply elements that are found else where for one gow3 doesnt even have a free moving camera, KZ is not as open as halo or has campaign coop , gt5s car list isnt as diverse as forzas, its back drops arent as good either, uncharted doesnt have as much content as gears ie enemies, boss battles, coop campaign, horde mode.

if you also look at the sales of the top 360 exclusives and compare them to the ps3s that are slightly graphically superior then you'll also see that the public also chooses gameplay over graphics.

Killzone does have campaign coop.. And how can u seriously say forzas car list is more diverse?

Killzone 3's co-op campaign isn't as well integrated as Halo's (you can't continue a single player campaign in co-op and vice versa, you have to start again), and it's only 2 player where Halo and Gears are 4 player.

Also Forza does have a more diverse car list. If you crunch the numbers, Forza 4 has more cars from every region except Japan. GT5 makes the 1,000 car list (800 standard resolution) by making a lot of repeats, and using cars that are nearly identical. I recall there are close to 150 Nissans, and only really 30 of them are mechanically different. The Honda S2000 specifically has 13 models in GT5, only 4 mechanically different, and even then, sometimes barely (Forza 4 has 1 S2000, and I think only 30 Nissans or so, all very different).

Anyway...this is off topic. If we start debating quality.....this will never end (like like Best graphics was going to end).



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Jazz2K said:
Everyone's wow factor is different and a lot of this debate is based purely on the wow factor. People are more easily impressed when a lot is going on at the same time than they are impressed by huge environment. Baking openess on small areas is easy and that leaves you with more polygons to play with. A lot of PS3 exclusives play with that aspect and they do it damn well.

There's also character designs which people are easily impressed with. A game like MGS4 gets all sorts of free pass because of that but when one looks past the characters this game is bland.

If people want to stay objective they would have to look at a lot more games with small areas and how much everything is well done. Games like Uncharted are well done. They do everything well and they have the wow factor to back them up. Saying it couldn't be done on 360 is far fetched though as Naughty Dog will never make a game for 360 but since every multiplat devs are able to create powerful games on both I wouldn't be surprised if ND would achieve the same on 360.

I can't belive that with such minimal difference in power some people still think one is way more powerfull than the other. Super Nintendo was way more powerfull than the Genesis, Xbox was way more powerfull than PS2, PS3 being way more powerfull than 360? Lol.

And again, you get more control on Forza 4 cars in Autovista mode than you get to control Kratos when you're in qte mode, does that mean that these sequences aren't part of the game? Are they FMVs? Lol!

I said this before, and many people agreed, but people kept arguing. Graphics are subjective, to some people Forza will be the best looking game because of the most evolved and realistic lighting engine, however there is no water in the game, and very little to model. To others it will be Uncharted 3 because of the sand and vegetation animations. Others will like Gears 3 for the high texture detail, etc.



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Mad55 said:
Michael-5 said:
Mad55 said:
Man we need more 360 fans to defend against these laughable ps3 pics lol.

Please, I'm not even mainly a 360 fan, I like Wii the most, and then specific HD franchises (Mass Effect, Fallout, Forza, JRPG's like Tales of/Valkyria Chronicles, etc)...

No need for the please, I wasn't referring to you. When I said we need more I meant some in general. Im a fan of all three systems so its not like im rooting for a specific winner, but please continue. 

No I'm agreeing with you. tired of Sony fans always putting down the 360 when in reality, the systems are very similar. Most of the games are MP, and they have about the same # of exclusives (most of 360's pre 2009, most of PS3 post 2009).

People who really argue one system over the other really have no life and should open themselves up. PS3 and 360 both have great exclusives in every genre, racing, shooter, RPG, etc. Oh what a better world this place would be if GT5 fans played Forza, and if Halo fans played Killzone.



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Michael-5 said:

I said this before, and many people agreed, but people kept arguing. Graphics are subjective, to some people Forza will be the best looking game because of the most evolved and realistic lighting engine, however there is no water in the game, and very little to model. To others it will be Uncharted 3 because of the sand and vegetation animations. Others will like Gears 3 for the high texture detail, etc.


but but but Why are doing something like this http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4476099???

He thinks GT5>Forza 4. It his opinion? so what's the problem with it. I thought you don't have any trouble in accepting one's opinion??



Michael-5 said:
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Seriously mate, just give up.. You can't win with this guy. Put as many facts as you want and he'll still sit there arguing. He says forza 4 is the best looking game this gen? Smh..

I also said that's my opinion countless times.

Seriously, just because I have a different opinion then you, do you really need to chastize me? What your doing is trying to make my opinion worth zero compared to yours and Aldros (who clearly have a bias towards Uncharted as both your gamerpics are Uncharted).

I even said Uncharted 3 has #1, despite my opinion being different, what more do you want?

If everyone shared the same view on video games...we would all be playing Mario Kart, which isn't a bad idea.

I would like to tell you both to grow up, and just accept others have a different opinion

P.S. winning Best graphics in 2009 does not make a game better looking then a 2011 game. What facts are you claiming change this? None, it's all opinions, and seriously, learn to accepts that other people have a different one then you.


"opinions are like arseholes, everybody has one.." seriously though, your opinion is fine. Just stick with it and don't let others pressure you. 

So then why are you pressuring Aldro and basically stating that I'm an asshole that won't accept other peoples opinions as facts? I'm standing up for my opinion, and you're insulting me for it, then telling me to keep standing up for my opinion?

LOL I never called u an arsehole.. And what do u mean pressuring aldro? I don't really care for what your on about. If that's what u believe in then that's fine. I may not agree with u but that's how it goes..

You don't agree with me, but you're telling me to take my opinions and to can them, and telling everyone else one by one to ignore me because my opinions are somehow fundamentally flawed. Then your telling me hold onto my opinion. You are a hypocrite for chastasing people for expressing their opinion.


Well, this thread sure has been an emotional roller coaster for u. I'm saying you have an opinion and that's fine. Aldro has simply highlighted why that might be flawed, and I agree with him. Anyway, whatever we may say I doubt there will ever be a universal agreement here. This thread has gone on for far too long now. Should just end it here. Your forza, gt5 car argument is interesting btw.



Michael-5 said:
Mad55 said:
Michael-5 said:
Mad55 said:
Man we need more 360 fans to defend against these laughable ps3 pics lol.

Please, I'm not even mainly a 360 fan, I like Wii the most, and then specific HD franchises (Mass Effect, Fallout, Forza, JRPG's like Tales of/Valkyria Chronicles, etc)...

No need for the please, I wasn't referring to you. When I said we need more I meant some in general. Im a fan of all three systems so its not like im rooting for a specific winner, but please continue. 

No I'm agreeing with you. tired of Sony fans always putting down the 360 when in reality, the systems are very similar. Most of the games are MP, and they have about the same # of exclusives (most of 360's pre 2009, most of PS3 post 2009).

People who really argue one system over the other really have no life and should open themselves up. PS3 and 360 both have great exclusives in every genre, racing, shooter, RPG, etc. Oh what a better world this place would be if GT5 fans played Forza, and if Halo fans played Killzone.

Agreed good points.



Gilgamesh said:
errorpwns said:
Chark said:
This is still going on? Both consoles look great. PS3 has more graphical potential than 360 but its not always taken advantage of. This difference can be hard to tell apart with an untrained eye and especially by those who don't play both systems or the games that specifically show graphically achievement. Multiplatform games are not a valid argument except for those games, because often times the difference has everything to do with developer, not the hardware. If you really want the best graphics in your games, then buy both systems and take advantage of the multiplatform difference, while still having the exclusive glory of each.


Where did you hear this bullock?  The PS3 and Xbox 360 share the same Memory/Graphics limitations.  Neither console can actually "best" the other at raw graphics power.  If Microsoft had first party developers that can fool people into believing their game is better by using cheap motion tricks, the Xbox 360 would have the "best" graphics of this generation.

You sir are completely ignoring the power of the CELL.

The "CELL" is a processor, not a graphics processor.  If the PS3 struggled with the most CPU intensive game in recent date: Skyrim.  Then the cell isn't really helping.  You're ignoring that both consoles have nearly identical graphic processors and the same exact amount of RAM.



S.T.A.G.E. said:
errorpwns said:
Turkish said:
Sevengen said:
when do these silly comparison threads stop?
truth is, both consoles are so close graphically that there really is no way to definitively prove which one has the edge, so that leaves personal opinion and bias as the deciding factors, which, in the end prove nothing.

for every screenshot of Uncharted 3 on the PS3, there's a shot of Crysis 2 on the 360, or even Battlefield 3 for that matter which beats both of them hands down for lighting, shading and textures. Now, you can tell me I'm wrong or crazy, but it's my opinion... afforded me because of the rediculously close tech output from the HD twins.

there are no nails. no coffin. just opinion.


LOL! Are you serious about Crysis 2 or BF3 on consoles looking better then Uncharted 3 or God of War 3? Get real man, mutliplat titles on consoels are inferior to PS3 exclusives. Unless you play Crysis 2 and BF3 on Ultra with 8xAA on a PC then there is nothing that comes close to PS3 exclusives.

Sorry, I'm tired of your selective screen shot picking.  Be honest about your games before trash talking.

 

http://bulk2.destructoid.com/ul/189502-Uncharted3MainImage.jpg

I can pull a gears of war screen shot that looks better than that.  Blurry wood textures, muddy floor, blurry books.  

 

http://www.mofobian.com/wp-content/gallery/uncharted-3/uncharted-3-10.jpg

Muddy desert textures, blurry plane.  Low polygon trucks.

http://thumbnails.hulu.com/662/50004662/110776_512x288_generated.jpg

That train man, low polygon rocks in the background, blurry tiny blades of pathetic grass.  I can get better looking graphics by running Crysis on medium with 2x AA.  

 

Here is the train level from Uncharted 2, put into Crysis

 

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/3428/2axca.jpg

 

So what about Uncharted 2 looking better than Crysis without 8x AA and on max settings?   Quit making a fool of yourself.  Completely bias man.

 

http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/122/1220174/the-witcher-2-assassins-of-kings-20120126092505616_640w_1331093691.jpg

 

This is Witcher 2, it is beginning to look better than any God of War or Uncharted game so far.


In my opinion, I think Red Dead Redemption looks better than the uncharted games.


I've played Gears and Uncharted 3...and yeah...no way Gears looks better than Uncharted 3. Gears 3 didnt even look better than Arkham City.  Hold on a sec, did you say Red Dead looks better than Uncharted? I cant even give it a graphics win over Uncharted 2, maybe part one but not two. Thats it I need to start overlooking posts.

All opinions.  I can point out quite a bit in Red Dead Redemption that makes Uncharted look like a Joke.